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said...
One time these people pissed me off so bad, by not tipping me, I gave them a yard job.
Disgruntled Driver said...
Yea you did. I usually just prefer to hit the horn as I'm driving off but I am willing to learn.
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while i like the idea of this site, i doubt that it's legal to publish people's full names and home addresses on a website like this. don't be suprised if you get in some major trouble.
Disgruntled Driver said...
I'm not too worried. Name and address is public information. Also, the database is just like a large public bulletin board. I don't control what people say or who they say it about.
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Try and put an option for details about the scumbags, such as their personality, the weather, etc. Also, I think the date option is kind of pointless. The ones I've listed from here in Omaha are chronic stiffers, who have stiffed in several different months.
Disgruntled Driver said...
You might have a good idea about a field for the weather. As for a more detailed description of the tightwads, I was hoping that the Lousy Blog would meet that need.
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So many cases of no tip or pennies left as a tip. Usually this means that that the customer is stating that service was lacking, not that they are cheap. Cheap tips is usually between 5-10%. Don't shoot the messenger as I'm a server and have never been stiffed with a zero tip.
Disgruntled Driver said...
Almost all of the bad tips currently on the database are from pizza drivers. Unfortunately, it’s quiet common for a pizza driver to get $0.00, which is partly why I started this site. While the site is for anyone who lives off of tips, it just got its start with mostly delivery drivers.
Disgruntled Driver said...
Someone posted a bad tip from a guy named Todd Phenniger and the state was listed as bz? Not sure if this is a real post or what. If you put it up send me an email. Later.
said...
My biggest pet peeve is getting hand fulls of change.. no cup.. no bag.. just a hand full of change. Now when people do this to me I don't raise my hand to take it, I make them get something to put it in before I'll take it.
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They finnaly charged the people who were involved in the 2003 incident where a delivery driver was jumped, had a bomb attached to his neck and was forced to rob a bank; which went very unsuccessfully. The man's last moments were caught on tape as he pleaded for his life and cuffed and on his knees. I hope these people have a cell with someone who loves pizza and rape.
Disgruntled Driver said...
I remember that story with the pizza guy and the bomb. I also remember that the police blamed him for the longest time. I guess it was so strange they didn't know what to think. I think that the perpetrators where watching entirely to much TV.
said...
Always remember to shake up the customer's cans of coke, 2-liters, etc. If they tip you, tell them to wait awhile before they open them. If they don't tip you, well......
said...
I don't know about the person that has never been stiffed but I get the pennies thing all the time and my best customers watch in amazement because they know that I didn't deserve to get stiffed.
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I've also noticed that rednecks with mullets don't usually tip. They want to order the most difficult drinks because it has a cool name and they stiff me every time. Also 99% of the customers who order a frozen drink don't tip. I hope they get a brain freeze!
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Excellent site but more information on said incidents would be excellent. For instance i'm a bartender and most of the time I only know the customers first and last name. Maybe you could include a description catagory so the stiffee can make fun of the stiffer by saying that maybe they could use a new wardrobe or a dentist instead of a drink.
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This woman lived very close to the store but did not tip. Finally, I started getting her pizza there in 15 minutes. However, the pizza was ice cold because I held it out the window the whole time and never put it in a delivery bag (until I rang the doorbell). She eventually quit ordering and we were both happier.
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The problem with holding the pizza out the window is that it wants to act like a wing. If you don't hold on to it tighly it will take off on you. Then you got to go back to the store and get a new one.
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I guess the rednecks are saving their pennies so they can afford to date their first cousins.
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I love it when a guy gives me a $1 tip after ordering 12 shots for all his buddies and then has the balls to ask me if it is a good tip. I want to say "I'm going to pay more in taxes on the sale I just made than your lousy tip will cover." But since I get more people that stiff than tip then I'll take what I can get and say "Thank you," with a very disgruntled tone.
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Sometimes shots come before floss
said...
One time this lady called the pizza place & I knew she didn't tip, so I said (in a real nice voice), " Oh, hi I remember you, you gave me a good tip last time!"
When I delivered her pizza she still didn't tip me, but that was the last time she ordered from us & we were both happier.
said...
I have a bad habit of making people compromise for a credit I never intend to give them.
said...
Ouch... .38 cents at Central Baptist. I love their new setup. I'm waiting till the chick security guard is working and I'm going to try and run to the elevator to see if she'll tackle me. Gotta work for those pennies.
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I love this new site!
Disgruntled Driver said...
Thanks for the love.
said...
So, Ben Gordon of the Chicago Bulls, comes into our place on a regular basis. He is by far the worst tipper of all the sports figures who dine with us, and we have quite a few. Last night his bill was $165.00 and he left his server $20.00. In the past he has had bills even higher, and tipped less!! We have have celebs like Michael, Lovie, Ditka, the entire defensive line of the Bears (at once), TV personalities, and entertainers who take care of our servers very well. Would someone please explain to Mr. Gordon that he is getting quite a reputation, and that we are now flipping coins to see who gets stuck with him next!
said...
Great post. It's alway funny to hear about rich celebs who are jerks.
said...
Next time Gordon comes in suggest the new Michael Vick Chinese restaurant down the street.
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John Sanders.. that dirty bastard.
Disgruntled Driver said...
I did a Google search of a couple of the names on the lousy tipper database and some of the results were links to the database. One of the names I searched actually had its first Google result pointing to lousytippers.com. It's only a matter of time until someone Googles themselves and finds their name on our little site.
said...
Hmmm...
According to Wikipedia in Okemo Michigan, there is only a 4.2% chance of a person being black and if their a woman, they make almost $20,000 less a year than their male counterparts.
I wait in eager anticipation for the day some non-tipping troglodyte finds their name on the website.
Disgruntled Driver said...
Someone posted black women as a bad tipper. I had to delete the post as this seems to be more of a social commentary. Please find her name and repost. All stupid asshole jerks need to be treated equally.
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meh
said...
One of the only things worse than not getting tipped is having to endure the cat shit smell that has permiated through the door. How should I add this one DisgruntaledDriver.
1508 Kelly Cir, Lexington, Ky, $20 order $3 tip plus overwhelming smell of cat shit.
I can't help but wonder if some driver has gone there and thrown up in the bushes.
said...
The taint licker at 704 Jaeduke paid with a $100 and took most of my change. Maybe he thinks my car runs on rainbows and thank yous. My car runs on the blood of Iraqis(32 Iraqis highway, 25 city).
The hamster stuffer at St Joe, stole 2 bucks from the tip and kept it in his pocket. He wasn't a very good theif, the money was sticking out of his pocket. I should of picked his pocket when I had the oppurtunity and taken the money.
Oh well..
These people can go merrily fuck themselves with sand paper dildos.
:) I feel better now.
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Wow. I guess we'll have no problems if we establish a "Lousy Service" site for those of us who have to stand up and wave our hands to get the attention of the crowd of servers who stand chatting away amongst themselve. Or the ones who disappear after slamming your plate on the table and never check back. I've made sure that when I do not feel service is worth the tip, I tell the manager on the way out why, in addition to the server.
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How about you get a better job instead of complaining about tips. I don't gett tipped for doing my job! You get paid to do your job, why should the consumer pay an additional amount for something you are SUPPOSED to be doing.
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What I love is when you go into a restaurant that automatically imposes a 15% tip and therefore, the server feels they can ignore that table because the tip is already a foregone conclusion. THEN at the end of the meal, they are expecting an additional tip ON TOP of the mandatory 15 percent.
It used to be that 10 percent was considered to be an "appropriate" tip. Then somewhere along the line, it became 15 percent. I just read somewhere now that it should be 20 percent.
The cost of food in restaurants goes higher and higher so if a 10 percent tip was appropriate 15 years ago, then why is 20 percent suddenly the "new standard". The whole point of a tip as a percentage of the tab is that it grows with inflation. But servers tips are growing faster than the pay of traditionally paid individuals AND they probably hide a bunch of it from uncle sam.
Y'all are really bitter and I agree with the consumer who said that maybe you should get a real job rather than whining over the relatively small minority of bad tippers.
And by the way, could it be that your service sucked as badly as your attitudes do and THAT is why you got stiffed?
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what is the right tip for a server who takes 45 minutes to get your salad out? SIDE salads. Or who doesn't bring all the food you ordered...even after you bring it to their attention. Twice. Or who can't figure out your bill correctly after you have sat thru the nightmare? Or the one you have to hunt down and then gets upset cuz the only person you can get the attention of is her manager when you haven't seen her for 15 minutes? I had an hour lunch which turned into 2 hrs because of POOR POOR service. Do I get to publish her name and place of employement? The place won't give me her address but you want to publish ours?
If you are dependent upon your tips to survive then act like it. Bring my food, hot and quick. If there is a problem in the kitchen then tell me, I am understanding but not when you ignore me. DO YOUR JOB. My boss doesn't pay me because I show up, he pays me because I work.
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I have to completely agree. I am generally a good tipper IF the service calls for it. But I have kids and if I have to wait an hour for their food to come out and my waiter/waitress has a sucky attitude about it then why should I tip good. I understand bad days, we ALL have bad days but don't take it out on the paying customer. This site is insulting to the rest of the people who probably did have bad service and didn't tip well because of it. You are in customer service so your attitude is dependent on what you deserve. If you rely on tips to make a living then do your job right and don't get pissed off at us and publish our names because you get a bad tip because your service sucks.
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Let me start by saying that I am a pretty generous tipper. I rarely tip less than 20%.
But it galls me somewhat to see these ridiculous posts about pizza delivery people being upset over not getting 15-20%. I read excuses like paying for gas, etc..
I used to deliver for a pizza chain. Not only did I get an hourly wage, but I also got a mileage allowance, and my tips. Granted, I did get stiffed by some inconsiderate morons, but I also didn't expect 20%
If I go to a restaurant, my waitstaff is providing a dining "experience." They bring me water, bring me my food, see to it that I am enjoying my meal, etc..
Why would I expect to pay a delivery person who shows up at my door, hands me a pizza, and takes my money to get 20%, especially since I've already paid a $1.50 delivery charge?
Granted, I almost always pay the pizza delivery person at least 20%, but it pisses me off that you expect that for providing me 30 seconds worth of service.
said...
Ever stop and wonder if maybe you are just a bad waiter/waitress?
Good waitress - 25-30%
OK waitress - 20%
Bad waitress - 5-10%
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I have, at times, left 2 cents as 'tip'. This was because the service was horrible. Several times the bus boy was diligent in keeping the drinks refilled and the bread basker full but no sign of the wait staff for long periods on end. This was not in a place that was overwhelmed and understaffed. The wait person could be clearly seen gabbing with other wait staff.
If you find yourself on the short end of a tip perhaps you should look in the mirror. Above all else, do not make it miserable for the next customer. (I gave the bus boy $5 as I left).
said...
I think this site is awesome.
I don't work for TIPS. But, as a customer, I will always TIP atleast 20%. If someone pisses me off, sometimes it will be more, (ie, I'll leave $7 on a %16 meal) and if I really loved the service I have tipped up to 40%. Thank you for your work ladies and gnetlemen!
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I agree with many things said on both sides of tipping. I have worked for tips and found that there are people that stiff or tip poorly no matter how good the service. They are either 1) total assholes or 2). they are broke with credit cards killing them in interest, they work their ass off a good part of the year just to pay for $130 dollar hammers, and to build schools and bridges in oil rich countries or to pay able bodied people not to work, they are one broke transmission from not being able to pay their electric bill but on Friday night they want to give their family a treat and order Pizza, most likely the two mediums for $9.99 with the coupon.... hoping they get paid Monday or the check they just wrote is going to bounce Tuesday.
I do not know all the bad going on in peoples lives, and I am not going get so wrapped up in worrying about a tip to pass judgement on people, who probably would have left more if they felt they had it. Now rich people, (who we all know are really crappy tippers) I have less patience for. Yes, they may be rich because they are ultra conservative with their money, but come on... they should come off a couple dollars for a working person trying their best to please them... they probably have three dollars in their ashtray of their car.
Now on the other hand, although I have worked for tips and know the sting of being stiffed even though I did everything I could do to please them, I think the tip range is 0 to 100%. I have given tips as high as 100% or more... and I have given 0. I do not have a set number based on someones opinion about what is appropriate. I tip based on service. My meal can be slow, cold and bad, but a waiter can still get a great tip because they are friendly, helpful, and are trying... My meal could be hot, fast and tasty but served by a unfriendly asshole that beleives it is their God given right to get a tip.
I agree with the people saying that tips should be related to service. Service in America has become so bad, because our standards of good service continue to go down. We now are happy if our order is anywhere near being correct, is at least warm and served within 45 minutes or ordering.
If you work for tips, you will get low tips and stiffs occassionally. If you are getting many of them.... then you may just suck as a service provider and should just go on welfare...
said...
This site is a joke. If you are going to post someone's name and address for not tipping, you should have to post your own name and who you work for so they know to stop doing business with you. then, you'll both be happier.
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C'mon people, everyone knows that a waitressing job, a pizza delivery job, (or other such occupations where gratuity is used to subsidize a poor wage) are only meant to provide a temporary source of income while you are looking for a better job, going to school, or maybe earning a little extra cash on the side if your main job is slowing down. Anyone who is trying to make a living wage (and trying to get ahead) at these occupations will only discover that it is simply not possible. Making lousy money? Find another job. Getting consistently bad tips? Look in the mirror. Expecting 20% for mediocre service? Think again. I understand that waitressing is a physically demanding job, however, in America, most people are not paid well for manual labor. Think you should have a high hourly wage just because you can walk or drive fast and fling food on a table with a smile? Try again. Honestly speaking, it is time for Americans who utilize the food industry to take it back.
1. Quit eating out every day. This will slim your waistline. Learn to cook and maybe even have a small garden in your backyard.
2. Eat out only on special occassions or maybe every other weekend. Limit your visits to restaurants. This will save you money and lessen the likelihood that you will receive poor service. It will also send a message to the food industry that "we can take you or leave you".
3. Keep in mind that tipping is a gratuity, only a gift. "Thanks for the great service". It's not legally required, especially if the service was less than stellar. It is not meant to subsidize someone's inability to negotiate a better wage or better job. Making only 2.15 an hour? It's YOUR FAULT for not taking the time to look for a better job. Can't find a good job in your area? MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
4. Also keep in mind that if you find your name on this site, you have so many legal options it's not funny. I think that customers should have a blog or website where names of lousy servers and their restaurants are posted for everyone to see, including their addresses. Think that server will still be employed? Think again.
said...
You servers forget that part of what tipping is about is to allow the customer to tell you whether or not you did a good job as a server. If you are a jerk with a lousy attitude, you can bet that my tip will reflect my perception of your service and your flippant mouth. So if you are a regular poster here on this website, maybe you are a lousy server. Perhaps you ought to consider another line of work where your attitude towards your job and your customers is not so much of a factor in your pay.
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Dear Customer,
While I personally don't plan to make a career out of delivery driving, it is one of the highest paying jobs in the food service industry($15 - $25 and hour). It is also one of the deadliest jobs you can have period(I doubt gynocolgist and CPAs are constantly worried about being robbed, shot, or getting in a car wreck). When you've been driving the whole night trying to maintain that line between fast service and not getting a ticket, and a disrespectful customer answers the door with "What took you so long?", it can frustrate like no other. What I believe most bad tippers and bad customers in general don't understand is what it takes to deal with the whole while doing the best for each person. It probably took 45 minutes to get the salad because the other 50 patrons of the restaurant whose order were taken before are being filled too. In a sit-down restaurant it is often the speed of the cooks that will determine how long it takes for your food to get to you, not the server. For delivery drivers it is often traffic, unforeseen obstacles, and customers who are not prepared, or customers with special needs such as hospitals who create delays that make it difficult to handle things in a timely manner. The constant conundrum of delivery is, it is often the orders that come after the one the customer placed that determines how long it will take to arrive to that customer. Some customers just can't comprehend this and feel justified in shooting the messenger when they have to wait 15 minutes longer than they were quoted. From our perspective on the service side, asking for free food or not tipping because we were unable to predict the future is ridiculous. Now.. if a driver or server comes to you smoking a cigarette, talking on their cell phone and doesn't bother to greet you and just tells you the total, grunts and goes on their way, that is bad service and does deserve a bad tip and you should complain. The next time you feel your service is bad take a minute and look at the situation and ask yourself if it is the servers fault or the drivers fault and not just something that is beyond any of their control.
said...
First off..
I made some comments the other day that were a bit harsh. Sorry, to guy on Jaeduke, and the nurse at St Joe. I do maintain the nurse was a thief and will have his bad karma in due time.
Second... The anon post with the 4 point list at the end.
1) You claim there are legal ramifications for posting publicly available information, order totals and tip amounts. I'm interested, could you please post the laws that you are specifically referring to or an online link.
2) You suggest to create that which you think is illegal.
3) Your right we should do something about the food service industry. "Fast Food" has helped destroy this nation and it populous by making bad food more popular and appealing in price and taste helping only to further line the pockets of the rich elite. They are selling heart disease and cancer so their cronies can sell you the cure.
4) "Can't find a better job, move somewhere else." If you can't find a decent job that allows you to save money, where is the money that will allow you to move to where a decent job is, going to come from? Living from paycheck to paycheck is a very real situation for many people. As long as nothing ever goes wrong for you your, fine, but should life happen(a child gets sick, are car breaks down) the only way to get ahead as your average middle to lower class person is to put yourself in to debt or work so much to a point that it is unhealthy.
5) I don't think I should be paid well because I drive fast, I should be paid well because you choose to have another person take on the risk of and cost of bringing you one of the 3 necessities of life. A few dollars from each person 2-4 times a month doesn't make a big difference in the their overall financial picture, but a couple of stiffs every day can change the weekly income of a driver drastically. If a driver makes (my average)$3.50 a delivery normally and never gets stiffed and then for a period of a month 2 customers a day give no top, at the end of the month (assuming a 5 day work week and 4 week month), these people have affected the drivers income by $140.
Disgruntled Driver said...
So many comments, so little time. To 500lb Gorilla and the cat pee situation. It's not a tip violation but the world should hear the shit (oops, piss) we often must endure.
To the individual who wanted to post a bad server website, go ahead - I won't be on it.
To the consumer who says get a better job; it's just a matter of time until you end up on the site. Anyone who would say that is so rude and thoughtless they are likely to be the type of person who leaves bad tips on a regular basis.
Many people in the service industry are working to better they're future, going to school or working a professional day job and delivering pizza on the weekends to help pay off staggering education bills. They don't expect to get rich in their present jobs but it does offer the advantage of a flexible schedule and they exchange this for lower pay. With that said, do you go to work and not get paid for it? I don't think so. Tips are not legally required but they are socially required. Why do you think there are so many bad tippers now squealing like stuck pigs. If they weren't so embarrassed (because they know it is socially expected) they wouldn't be so vocal about their protestation. It's not a gift it is an expected payment for the service I provide.
Finally, I would like to address the blame the victim crowd. Most servers/drivers do everything within there control to provide the best service possible. It is in their self-interests. With that said, yes there are sometimes that a server gives poor service. When a server is purposely giving bad service or is needlessly rude it is correct to leave a less than stellar tip. I've done it myself. If I've ever had any doubt that my service was lacking I would not post the bad tipper online. And every server/driver I know feels the same way. Furthermore, even if it was not my fault (eg., cooks were backed up) and the customer received unreasonably slow service, again I wouldn't post their name. No, if you find your name on the database it's not because you failed to tip a bad server, it's because you're a jerk and you leave bad tips on a consistant basis. See you on the net.
tymac2315 said...
I stumbled on this site by accident as I was reading an article on travel on the MSN site.
I have worked in restaurants(sit down/ fine dining) for roughly 13 years of my life and in "cube-land" corporate America for four or five years.
For quite a few people that work in the food industry it is a temporary "thing" to get by or help pay for school. Like others I can only speak about my experiences, and those temporary people can be a mixed bag, no disrespect meant to anyone. Some of them are just going through the motions of the day and others are making the best of their situation knowing that positive changes are coming. I think it is a great thing for someone to do who wants flexibility and some quick money, but those people should not expect to make the money that a knowledgeable career server makes. Just like an entry level person working in the mail room of a corporation doesn't make as much as others higher up on the ladder.
As with many options that are presented to us on a daily basis, working in a restaurant is a choice for some and a necessity for other. A scary reality is that a very high percentage of people that work for the minimum wage (in the neighborhood of 65+%) are trying to feed a family and just survive, not a picture that is painted for us that it is a wage that is paid mainly to school kids for their first jobs. There aren't any relocation bonuses in the food industry either although those rumors have been passed around for years! For people to tell them to "simply get another job" that isn't up to another person to control how others live their lives. If the restaurant food business doesn't work for people they normally don't last long at any establishment that wants to grow it's business. That also goes for newly opened restaurants, most fail anywhere from with in 9 months to 3 years. There is a bit of "survival of the fittest" in the restaurant industry.
If customers who do not work for tips want the pay scale changed, that's great. What is the solution to making that change? Labor costs for a restaurant can make up a very high percentage of a business' overhead. Most people don't realize what goes into making a meal for them. The number of people that work behind the scenes in restaurants far outweighs the front of house staff. I think that if the European formula of higher wages and very little tipping was instituted you would see more and more fledgling restaurants that are trying to build a business fail very quickly. While some would argue that the "free market" would still be okay others could see this as one more regulation that a business would have to follow.
While I found some comments from both servers and customers amusing, I think that people need to relax a little on both sides. Expectations of service and tipping should be a little more in line. For example, if a customer comes in, says they are in a hurry and need to be in and out in 30 minutes, but they order an entree that has a prep time of at least 20 minutes, plus a n appetizer. I believe that it is the servers responsibility not only to the customer but also the restaurant that employs them to impart a little bit of knowledge and communicate with the customer to head off a bad situation before it potentially gets worse. Not in a rude manner obviously, you are as a server after all the face of the establishment, after the information has been given and the customer still decides that his or her choices are fine, let the kitchen know to put a rush on the items and also let the manager know so you can have another set of eyes on the kitchen and an "authority figure" back you up if that rushed customer becomes upset with the time issues. Which has happened to me personally before. I made an effort to give great service to everyone that walked through the door and sat in my section or at my bar. Like anyone, I had my share of off nights where things didn't go quite as planned and my tips reflected that, other nights my timing with the kitchen was working like a very expensive Swiss watch and my tips reflected that also. I am not bitter about the bad days, because in a game of averages somewhere along the road my lower nights were covered by higher nights. In both examples I have received low and high tips, but like I said they average out. My thoughts about this site is that some times you are ticked that you give people the "red carpet, butt kissing till your lips are chapped service", they tell you that you have made their nights and hope to be back soon, then you open up the check presenter book and there is your 5% tip for two hours of work/entertaining. That is the part that people outside the service industry don't get, each server has a limited amount of space each night to make their money. For a person that goes in to a "desk" job, punches a clock in and out, their time is mapped out for them as well as the expectations of his or her boss. If a report doesn't quite get finished it may be put off until tomorrow, or maybe that person will stay late to get it done. When a restaurant closes for the night the opportunity to make tip money for the night stops the second the "Open" sign is turned off. Granted there are those servers that can't manage themselves well enough to maintain a good level of service, and their tips generally reflect that. However as with most people in the world it is hard to take a good look at yourself and take the blame when it is your's alone.
Going to a comment by some of the customers, I do agree that the level of service has gone down in this country, and not just in restaurants but across the board. The responsiblity for that issue lies with all of us, not only in our expectations of others but of ourselves as well...
One other point that customers often don't think about is that eventhough they are having a bad day, is it right for them to take it out on someone who serves you a dinner plate that has a crooked green bean on it? If a server is rude or doing a terrible job talk to the manager or owner of the establishment to correct the problem and enjoy the rest of your night. That coin has two sides to it also though customers, you don't necessarily have someone coming in to sit at your desk on a daily basis and complain that your pencils aren't sharp enough and then to top it off complaining to your boss that you shouldn't be paid for the last hour because they don't like -------.
My choice to work in the restaurant industry provided me with good money to go along with a flexible schedule that afforded me to enjoy my hobbies and have a good life. Customers out there, just remember the next time you look down your nose at a person because they are a server in a restaurant, they might really enjoy what they do and some of them can make just as much money as a person that works in an office for 60+ hours a week in half that time. As far as the servers go, you need to remember that you are paid to do your job by the establishment and the gratuity is just that, a show of appreciation. Two peoples idea of good service and a good tip are rarely the same, especially if one is the server and the other the customer in that situation!! Nobody knows what kind of day any other person has had, and no one can tell anothers financial situation either.
If a server does their best to make people enjoy their dining experience, over time they will be taken care of. Sometimes the benefits are not even monetary, but could be new friends, helpful contacts for the future, or just happy people that send 10 of their friends to your restaurant because they had a good time.
This is an interesting site for people to vent about many things, but I agree that the bad tippers shouldn't be posted. Someday you may not leave a server an "expected" amount due to something out of your control and could end up on something like this...
Just a few final thoughts for the person that made the list of four items to take back the food industry.
#1- Eat at home more- I agree people have become fairly lazy and want everything "right now" including their meals.
#2- Limit your nights out- I agree to a point. It will save you money, but if you are cooking at home you are already limiting your dining out. The logic that you are less likely to receive poor servie if you go out less is ridiculous. If I don't go to the grocery store as often am I more likely to get my groceries bagged neatly or if I don't go to the post office as often will that get my mail delivered quicker? If you chose not to go to any establishment because of poor service that is your choice, but unless it is truly a bad place there will be another person sitting in the seat that you had the night before.
#3- Tipping is a gift for good service- I totally agree. "Tipping is not meant to subsidize someone's inability to negotiate a better wage or better job"- While I agree with your first point that tipping is a gift for good service, that alone is a subsidy to someone's pay. As far as the point about "the inability to negotiate a better wage or better job"- Here is some info that you may find helpful, restaurant wages aren't always the same as the minimum wage, in some states they are as low as $2.15 or there abouts. The ability for restaurants to pay less than the minimum wage is voted on in each state governemt. So your point about negotiating a better wage goes out the window with that. That issue comes down to who has more influence with politicians. In perfect democracy you would hope the party that has a higher number of voters, but we know that isn't how the game is played and it comes down to money... Usually in the form of campaign contributions. So when a Wal-Mart moves into your area and people are lining up for jobs because they need them, do you think that the Walton family negotiates with each individual applicant??? I don't think so. While it may be easier for you to move to an area with better paying jobs, wear someone else's shoes for a while and try to make it on a lower pay, then try to move to another city. That's like telling a homeless person that has recently been foreclosed on due to medical bills in this declining housing market to just go out and buy another home with their damaged credit and negotiate a better fee with their doctor.
#4- The only part of this that I will address is the blog about bad servers and bad restaurants- At the places I have worked if someone recieves complaints and just can't do their jobs they are fired, and as far as restaurants that are bad, just wait a few months and they will be closed down. A person that has a bad restaurant experience is more likely to share it with friends and will tell many times more people that one that has a good experience. Word of mouth advertising will make or break most restaurants. Also there are already sites like Citysearch and DigitalCity that has restaurant reviews if you would like to add your thoughts, that is a place to go. The business address is already listed so all you have to do is type in your critiques, good or bad.
Everyone needs to take a step back and try to gain a little more perspective about "the other guy/girl" The world will be better off with a little more give and less take.
Thanks for your time, hopefully this came out clearly!
Disgruntled Driver said...
I just wanted to say that I appreciate tymac2315's thoughtful comments. I would only disagree with two points. Gratuity is not "just a show of appreciation." It is a required payment if service is rendered in a professional and timely manner. And if they stiff you let the world know by listing their names on lousytippers.com. Ha!
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So why are people in lexington, and to a lesser degree omaha, such lousy tippers? One might assume that they feel the "delivery charge" (for pizza) goes to the delivery person- maybe they just don't know. How could you let them know without getting into trouble?
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Let's all remember what "Tips" stands for, how it was started, and how it's been corrupted. Originally "Tips" where given to a server BEFORE the meal. In fact the word 'tips" stands for "To Ensure PromptService".
Somehow it got switched around to "I'll tip you if I feel like, no matter what kind of service". Many restaurants still only pay their servers 1/2 of minimum wage (which is allowed by law, since the other part of their income comes from gratuities). I have talked to several guests who thought I was getting paid anywhere from $10.00 to $15.00 an hour, plus tips. This person considered a tip to be a "Bonus" as opposed to a salary.
Most servers get a big fat ZERO in their paychecks, because the amount of tips declared to the government (IRS) is deducted from the hourly wage. So "TIPS" are much more important than some folks still think.
As a server, however, I must disagree with the Tip Scale posted earlier. Here's how I would break it down:
20%+ for Great Service
15% for average service (nothing spectacular)
10% and a conversation with a manager for horrible service.
P.S...If your server has helped you, by utilizing a tremendous amount of knowledge for things like wine selections, allergy issues, modifying meals (for whatever reason), or generally made your experience absolutely amazing, don't insult them, by being cheap. If you have a Corporate credit card that only allows you to tip 15%...dig into your own pocket to make up the difference.
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While if this happened to me, I might be inclined to rip someones throat out, it's still pretty funny though.
(2nd and 3rd pictures on the page)
http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/page/8/
This site is pretty hilarious.
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LMAO...
Here's a Lexington, Ky crack on the site.
http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/page/22/
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Allow me to list some of my better moments from years of pizza delivery. keeping in mind that they may not be original to me and I would NEVER suggest that any ticked off driver paying over 3$ a gallon with a delivery range of 5 miles in every direction might want to use them at any point.
so. on to the fun, personal favorites, if you happen to have a girlfriend/wife (or you are a woman) and have access to all of those LOVELY subscription cards, you can drive away with a smile on your face knowing that in 6-8 weeks they will have 20 magazines coming to their house along with bills.
The old stand-by of shaking the soda bottles violently and then warning them that they got "shook up in the car" if they develop a conscious.
If your company sends along "extras" paper plates, napkins, pepper packets. have your bag of extras ready with one single paper plate, one napkin and a single of whatever you would expect plenty of. Or, a variant of that, simply hold the extras, "hostage" if they screw you "oh, I'm sorry, we're out of the extras" and if they really get a pain in the ass calling in or demanding you come back with them, just find some "that were left over in the car"
Or my personal best thought that should be reserved for the absolute worst, and I NEVER ever did and would NEVER recomend anyone do, if you live within the delivery range and someone has crossed the line from just a stiff to personally being a dick, quickly drive the pizza home, take it inside, rub your penis on it carefull not to leave any trace of hair what-so-ever, (sorry ladies, I can't think of anything equal for you as scent would give you away)Then deliver the pizza with a GIANT smile on your face and make sure you thank them and tell them to have a nice day.
and again, I have never done any of these things and would never advise anyone to.
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I normally tip well. But seeing this site still brings back ugly memories of expecting big tips for no service.
I can remember two times I did leave a tip, but it was 1 penny because I wanted to let the server know I did not forget.
#1 was when I received the bill at a nice restaurant taking my parents out for their anniversary. On it was written f*** ***. OK tip workers, how many of you expect a tip when you give the customer that kind of message. I don't care about the excuse that it was meant for the bartender. I SAW IT.
#2 at an establishment where yes I just had the salad bar for lunch. I got tired of waiting for the non-existent server after the initial greet. I had to go to the waiter station and refill my own water, beg for the corn bread (brought by the bus person), etc. When I left, the server told me there must have been a mistake and I replied that I thought the penny was generous and he should be paying me for waiting on myself.
On the other hand, I've left $50 for a $8 hamburger. Why, because the service was awesome.
If you deserve it, at the end of the day you will be rewarded.
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All of you waiter and waitress need to focus your attention to the owners of the establishments that you work at. They are taking all of the profits and not sharing them. Do these owners ever offer a raise or hourly above the minimum? These people are the real pieces of trash that charge customers out the ass and do not reward employees. Charging $2.50 for a soda that costs them $0.10 and never even offer health care for their workers....you should focus your energy on the owners.
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500lb do you really believe that being a pizza driver is one of the deadliest jobs....really? You've got to be joking ....really?
How about police, firefighters, EMS? If you are making $15-$25/hour you are making more than they are to drive a pizza to their house or station and you think that it's deadly. Man don't tell our service men and women over seas that, they thought they were risking their lives.
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I know this isn't the point of this site, but I want to give credit where credit is due. If anyone lives in Citrus Heights, CA, and you want the best service ever, go to La Placita Dos. We ALWAYS tip 30% or more when we eat there and I think everyone must, the waitstaff is so nice even when the place is packed and the kitchen is slow and people are haranguing them.
I'm not sure when waitstaff started being taxed on 15% of what they served, but since that happened, it's true that nothing less than 20% is really a tip. How can we get that idiotic tax law repealed?
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I always figured that when a waitress or waiter is giving me crappy service or just gabbing away while my food waits in full view under the warmer that she/he was having a bad day...or a bad life. Since I never order anything expensive anyway, I would tip the lame servers as much as the bill to brighten their day. I don't believe that encourages poor behavior, I just guess they'll be nicer to the poor slob who sits there next.
Disgruntled Driver said...
While this site tends to focus on the negative side of the industry it's the kind people like the last two posters who make our jobs possible. To them and those like them thank you!
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I saw delivery driving ranked as the 2nd deadliest job a few years ago in a Boston newspaper article(which even I scoffed at), and recently after the mining incident according to a report off CNN the 10th most dangerous job type were those involving transportation. Lexington is a relatively safe town and drivers have been KILLED here, drivers have been beaten within an inch of their lives for freaking pizza.. PIZZA!!. Many jobs have risk involved, but how many of you with those "real jobs" are worrying about being robbed, attacked, or being injured or killed in a car wreck or even worse killing or injuring another person or child because they weren't paying attention to their surroundings(they were pay attention to their Ipod or Cell phone). While the probability for bad things to happen is amazing, I have found most that choose to deliver are good at navigating around them. I'll do some research and post some articles and numbers on the whole issue.
It is fucked up that I can make more per hour than people who are charged with my health, protection, and education. Personally I think these should be among the highest paid positions in the nation and making what I do, I am extremely fortunate to be able to make the money I do given the limited hours I work.
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What's with all the anon posts, hit "Other" and give yourself a name people.
Disgruntled Driver said...
I don't think Gorilla meant retarded in a literal sense. Remember the rules people, no handicapped allowed.
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I noticed a comment that most of the "non-tipped" are pizza delivery staff. Please note that most joints apply a delivery fee. Why tip. And when it takes 45 minutes to get a pizza I consider that bad service and do not tip. Sorry. If wait staff suck at their job then bitch about no tips maybe they should consider another field, preferably not in customer service. HHMM??
Disgruntled Driver said...
I can't waite to see your name on the database, HHMM??
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I am sorry to DisgruntaledDriver for not paying attention to the rules(I will do my best maintain in the future), and for the other person named anon(there seems to be a lot of you) concerned that someone may read my post and think they found some easy targets, both of these people have since moved, and apparently I had the apartment numbers wrong as it was. For those who would wish to demonize me for posting a factual account of an extremely annoying experience, that's your right as an American. I have made a personal rule in life not to hold things against people for which they have no control over, ie. retardation, skin color, and some personal views that are more a product of location and society than active choice(Shawn S. if you’re reading this, this is the only reason I helped you fix your tire, thanks for throwing it back in my face like a good Christian would). 99% of all the handicapped people I've ever delivered to have been very nice people and always tried to tip something even if they didn't have much. If a person can cloth themselves, feed themselves, hold a job and pay their own bills, I have a very mild expectation of social etiquette. I would have never complained or been annoyed to the extent I was if this person had not done something besides not tipping. They were an ungracious, disrespectful and an unreasonable customer and even after being explained why we felt this way to this person, there was no change. I will leaves this issue with this person here, and write no more on the subject. Sorry if I have offended, but I have been honest.
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"I noticed a comment", that said 45 minutes is too long to wait for a deilvery order and that drivers should only get the delivery fee charged by their work. I really wish I could meet you in person to have the chance to explain this face to face, maybe take you on a run and show you how the job is done.
I'll start with the second qualm first and the I'll get to making you look like a real idiot.
Depending on the price of gas and the car driven each delivery cost about 50 cents in gas, given that most places charge about a dollar half of it is gone when you've reached the door. The other 50 cents is meant to pay for depreciation, maintenance and insurance. Even when I was doing 400 orders a month to just have the delivery charge alone would not of covered the cost of working there. Drivers make good money, but it is a very expensive job to have. The tips are what pay my bills and the only thing that makes this job worth it. If you think your food takes too long to get to you then you can pay the $182 speeding ticket and the points can go to your license, because I would believe that would be the only fair way to get what you want.
Which brings me to the first qualm and making you look like an idiot(Anon 9-21-07 3:33pm). I don't work pizza anymore so if any of my numbers are way off, please drivers post corrections. Here is the breakdown of what is happening from order to delivery.
0 Min- The order is taken, you are quoted a 45 minute delivery time and the order is sent to the cook. While some pizza is pre-made, let's assume this order is custom and needs to be made from scratch. Average time to make a pizza from sauce to oven is about 2-5 mins(some cooks also answer phones and this creates delays). On a typical moderately busy night there might be 4 orders that need to be made before yours.
14 min- After making the previous 4 pizzas and taking an order, the cook prepares your pizza.
17 min- The pizza is put in to the oven and takes 5-8 minutes to cook depending on the ovens conveyor speed.
23 min- Your pizza is done and boxed. There may be a driver to immediately deliver your order, but often a driver must wait for orders placed after a person has called. This is the greatest variable in the whole system and often the one thing that will make an order late... ironically… another order. While this time varies greatly it is important to running the deliveries as a whole the most efficient way possible to give the greatest number of people the best service possible. I will admit occasionally you have to fuck the one to save the others. I'm going to say for this example the driver had to wait 10 minutes for the other orders on the run.
33 min- The average time to get from the store to the customer or from customer to customer is about 5 to 10 minutes depending on distance, traffic, and other events outside the control of the drivers. Let's say Anon lives at the edge of the delivery area because I imagine this person does.
43 min- The pizza is at your door and still hot as it has been boxed and placed most likely in a hot bag.
44 min- You stiff the driver
500 min- Your name appears in the database
There are many variables involved and it is possible to get an order to a customer in under 30 minutes, but it is unrealistic, and that level of service wasn't expected until that FUCKING DOMINOS COMMERICAL!! A promotion which ended because it was proven that it was endangering the life and safety of drivers. I guess the lawsuits outweighed the profit gain. I hope I speak for all drivers, in that we do our best to get you the food in the best time possible. If the time quoted on the phone is too long for you to wait(more so if you can't be patient for 15 minutes after the quoted time), drive your own ass, with your own gas to the store and pick it up your damn self and everyone will be happy.
Disgruntled Driver said...
20160 Min- you google yourself and find the good news.
Disgruntled Driver said...
This is an earlier comment posted by 500lb Gorilla on September 20, 2007. It's been edited for your protection, and ribbed for her - never mind.
Gorilla said...
I imagine some may think us ungrateful wretches, but let me tell you a story of irony, understanding, and oblivious annoyance.
For a period of about three or four years I had two customers who ordered about 3-5 times a week; one at **** Nicholasville #* and the other at **** Alexandria #*. Both of these people scraped by for a living, had health problems, and lived in similar crappy apartment’s miles from each other. The gentleman on Nich. Rd was extremely thankful every time that we would deliver him a burger at 11pm(even if we closed 2am), and he would tip about $1.50 or less each time(barely 10%). The woman on Alexandria called the store 4 times after she ordered(every time) to verify that which had been verfied and ask where her food was she ordered 15mins ago(avg quoted time was 45min). So happy to receive her food like a junkie in a methadone clinic she would give exact change or as close as she could get every single time. The level of annoyance this woman caused me over the years has yet to be matched and even if she wasn't retarded, I believe she would of been the same ignorant troglodyte with a moustache). A fellow driver started to complain to me one day about the guy on Nich. Rd. and his low tips and I laid it out for him why he is one of the best customers we'll ever have. By this point the man had ordered nearly two thousand dollars in food from us which we figured was a good couple hundred orders. In that time he had tipped drivers a total of nearly $300 giving just a buck and the change, and those who understood this knew the value of a customer like this(Terry.. the guys name was Terry.. been trying to remember it, and it finally came to me). Terry was a nice simple guy who lived 3 flights up and came to the door with a smile on his face even if his order was late. Troglodyte didn't even give me a thank you the times I put annoyance aside and got the food there in under 20mins. After this there were a few incidents which culminated in her requesting I never deliver to her again, but she still wanted those chicken fingers and fucking honey mustard.
The point of all this is a person must specifically do something and usually repeatedly before I start giving intentionally bad service and a low tip is not necessarily a bad tip. If a person is nice(not condescending nice) and they don't tip well, I am usually fine with at least delivering to a genuinly pleasant person.
September 20, 2007 2:20 PM
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RE: legal ramifications. Personally, I think this site in an interesting idea, and don't have any negative feelings about it. But you asked to be pointed to the relevant laws and regulations.
The first think I can think of it, you could be sued for libel... if, say, someone could show they tipped a different amount than posted. (It doesn't matter at all that you offer people an opportunity to write in and have it taken down, because, the information would have been online for a period of time already. Also, I don't think people are obligated to tell you to stop libeling them before they sue you.) As for not controlling what people post, that has not been solid protection for site owners in the past.
Also, you could probably be sued for any number of bad things that might happen to someone as a result of people learning of their address if it wasn't generally available otherwise. Someone hiding from an abusive ex, for example.
Now, before you say, "but I'm can't be responsible for that because x, y and z..." A judge or jury might disagree. Civil law is complicated and nuanced. It's a far cry from common sense. Also, paying for a lawyer to defend yourself can be expensive, even if you ulitmately win.
Also: your site reaches 50 different states, and is covered by some federal laws too. That's why people try to err on the side of caution operating something like this, even after consulting a lawyer (or, especially, on the advice of a lawyer!).
Personally, the least I would do would be to require people to provide a verified email address before posting and require them to agree to defend you against any civil claim arising from their submission. I'd also collect and log their IP address and time of submission. And I might ask any lawyer friend I knew for other suggestions.
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You wouldn't want to start the website for LousyService.com, would you? That might get a lot more attention. All you're getting here is comments from disgruntled bad servers.
Sometimes people are jerks (on both sides), so I think the general idea for your site is okay...
Whenever I left a bad tip, I knew it, and I knew exactly why I did so, too. If the server was too stupid to figure that out and came here, too bad.
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First, to all of you who say "I'm usually a good tipper", I call bullshit on that. Anyone who says that usually thinks $1 or 5% is standard.
Second, people who work as servers/bartenders etc. do NOT make normal wages and tipping is not only expected, they depend on it. These folks accept a postion at $2.50/hour knowing the majority of their income is to come from gratuities. They are taxed on a certain percentage of their daily checks so those of you who stiff them are screwing them over double. If that gives you some sort of passive agressive high, you are a loser with nothing better to think about. I hope karma pays you a visit at your job.
Sure there are lousy servers, there are also servers who may make a mistake or two. Unless they did not actually do what it is they are supposed to do- i.e. you never received your food or drink, they have still performed a service for you and deserve some gratuity. So maybe don't tip them 20%, but stiffing them is like stealing from them.
The bottom line is if you don't want to pay a gratuity for a service performed for you, don't use the service. Don't take your 5 screaming, cheerio throwing, crumbs all over the floor, unruly and ill mannered kids to a restaurant. Get off your fat, lazy ass and cook them a nutritious meal at home. And when they don't say "thank you" for your hard work don't be surprised- the apple doesn't fall from the tree.
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From Anonymous: 'Let's all remember what "Tips" stands for, how it was started, and how it's been corrupted. Originally "Tips" where given to a server BEFORE the meal. In fact the word 'tips" stands for "To Ensure PromptService". '
The only problem with this statement is that it's completely untrue. See for example:
http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/tip.asp
The word "tip" goes back hundreds of years, before the age of acronyms. This is an example of a false etymology (See acronym in Wikipedia for other examples). If you think about it, the adoption of acronyms for common use is not likely at a time when most people can't read.
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Just so I don't leave the wrong impression, I agree with everything else Anonymous says about why people should tip well. I just don't think you need to base it on a false etymolgy for the word "tip".
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Though I haven't seen it in a comment yet, I know somewhere the blame for a late order is going to be passed to the cooks. I've worked at a steakhouse for a while now as a line cook. Servers, sometimes the problem is in the kitchen when there's new staff to be trained or a shortage of cooks. Would it kill you to help out or maybe grab the ice cream for your customer's dessert yourself?
Also, double check orders! There have been many many times where an order is put through incorrectly and we make what is on the ticket, only to find out at the last minute that they forgot to mention that they made a mistake and the steak was supposed to be medium rare but they typed in medium well instead. Own up. And, make sure to take the right meal. It can be very confusing on a busy night, but most cooks will help you if you're nice to them.
At the steakhouse, I deal with a lot of servers. It's a fact that the servers who are nicer to the cooks get faster service and better looking meals. Yelling at the cooks is a bad idea in general.
So, to recap... to make better tips...
1. Carefully check your orders to prevent time-consuming mistake corrections.
2. Check with the cooks to make sure you have the correct meal.
3. Be nice to the cooks. If you're nice to them, they'll probably try to help you get good tips.
I know this doesn't apply in all cases, but it's my personal experience.
Disgruntled Driver said...
Thanks Steakhouse Cook. It's always good to get antoher perspective.
500lb Gorilla said...
While I have spent my time waiting on food to cook so I can leave, I understand the orders don't really ever come up in the way they will be delivered in(some drivers and servers will never understand this). Sometimes the first one and the 8th one go and there really isn't much you can do to bend time and space to change that. I've always given the cooks praise and respect, ecspecially after really hard days.
4. If you ever want free food don't piss off the people who can supply it.
500lb Gorilla said...
I don't know who Tim Kneer is, but he is a douche.
Disgruntled Driver said...
I don't think poor Tim is a real non tipper. I received an email that he was at war with some others on a wrestling message board. I don't know all the particulars but this is not the place for personal disputes and I'll delete any post with his name on it. Whoever he pissid off really won't let it go.
500lb Gorilla said...
I'm going to stick with Tim being a douche where ever he is for whatever reason, or until I get an email explaining why and what the hell.
Off to start another week of negotiating life and having money.
Ohh!! Delivery Gods Keep My Wheels Strong and My Pockets Heavy With Your Graces!!
500lb Gorilla said...
The delivery gods have been gracious(Praise be to the Delivery God), but the nurses and their less than $1 per order tipping is really getting old. I didn't save my tickets so I don't remember exactly who it was, but what do these people expect when you have seven orders all going to the same place at the same time.
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How is $5.00 on a bill that was $11.00-$20.00 a bad tip? 20% is $4.00 which is better than the requested 15%.
Disgruntled Driver said...
You've got a good point there anonymous. Probably just a typo.
500lb Gorilla said...
When you feel overload, you will be able to understand what we are saying.
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If you don't like working for tips, get a real job where you get paid in full like everyone else. Quit whining and get an education. I hate it when people in service industries whine about their jobs, and then do nothing about it. You always act like it's the customers fault that you get lousy tips, when you really need to look in the mirror.
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What we should do is establish a European style of dining. You order your drink (and you only get one with no ice), you order your food, you receive your food and eat, you spend time with your party, you pay, you don't tip, and you leave. How simple is that? I loved eating out while I was in Scandinavia. It was so pleasant and stress free, unlike eating here. That and the servers make a decent wage without having to worry about getting stiffed because someone had their water glass get too low.
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okay, im a server, and i havent seen any servers commenting on how hard serving can actually be!for a customer yeah it's tipical to say "just put my order in, get me refills and bring out my food while it's hot,...how hard can that be..".PLEASE!!!first of all i have 3-5 tables im waiting on at the same time..and not all tables just sit down order a simple drink then order their food...NO!..they want to order a water with limes AND lemons and a frozen drink from the bar that has to be rung in and takes the bartender 10 minutes to make..i can hear the customer now ("10 minutes for a drink?!?!?!") it's frozen you idiot! then they want to ask a million questions about food that already has a detailed description in the menu!!!then they really dont even order from the menu THEY MAKE UP THEIR OWN...(excuse me miss, could i get the shrimp and chicken pasta, but no peppers, and substitute the chicken for fish and instead of noodles can i have rice?) ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? newsflash..if you special order something, it takes twice as long to ring it in, and you've just increased your chances of having to send your food back because it's not how you wanted it..on top of that, while im dealing with mr and misses Picky, i have to find a way to remeber that table 1 wants ranch instead of the barbeque sauce that came with her meal and her date wants plastic silverware and wants you to grab him a new lemonade because his last one didnt have enough ice, table 2 needs refills, table 3's food might be ready to be taken out, table 4 doesn't like her wings so you have to find a manager to take it off the ticket and see if she wants to order something else(which is a 10-15 minute process) and ..oh yea even though i just left table 5 their waving me down asking me where their stupid frozen drink is!!!!It's rediculous, there's so many things that happen that people take out on servers thats not their fault, like if the kitchen runs out of a certain food, or the kitchen is taking a little longer thatn usual to make the food or if you DID do your job and typed in all of their special requests for the meal but the cook ignored it...i could go on for days!!!!!
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i'm a waitress and theres a couple things people need to know.....first of all OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND ENUNCIATE WHEN YOU ORDER!!!!maybe it's the are im in but if one more person orders their food by pointing and saying "i want that" and then pushes the menu off my way... i swear......and if you come into a restaurant with 15 people, ordering at different times running me around for refills, extra this, extra that, i dont like this, i want that instead, and then everyone has SEPERATE CHECKS, you better EXPECT for there to be few DELAYS okay?????i had a table like this a month ago, and not only where they needy, they were rude about it!!!!and then when i added gratuity, that had the nerve to call my manager over and complain about it!!!if i ever ran into one of them on the street OH MAN!!!!!!!!!
Disgruntled Driver said...
Did you happen to get their names?
500lb Gorilla said...
I've learned to rate customer service jobs based on the amount of time actually dealt with the customer.
Servers - 45min to 2+ hours, that sucks and gives people too much time to hate you.
Cashier - 1 to 15+ mins, not as much time to hate you, but these people are generally not tipped so if the piss someone off.. ehh.. fuck em.
Delivery - 1 to 5+ min, Absolute minimum of face time and people are generally happy to see you.
IE. Servering sucks.
I feel for the server who have to deal with customers who can't see what is going on in the restaurant or even begin to perceive what it takes for their order to be filled.
For the ass who said, "get a real job where you get paid in full like everyone else. Quit whining and get an education." What we are whining about are those customers who a shitty people. If someone got legitimately bad service, I don't and don't feel people should post their names.
"Get an education", is such a pompous statement when made to a general group of people. I'm paying my way through school, and I'm sure many others are too. These things take time and large amounts of money. I'm glad things were easy for you, but there are many of us on our own, working in a system that makes forces us into debt for an education that may not pay off, or is obsolete by the time it's completed.
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Dear all "This site is a joke, etc." commentors,
Argumentative discourse is the foundation of the success of any good talk show or blog-based web-site. It appears the "joke" may be on you.
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500lb. Gorilla,
You should be a writer. I mean, I get tears in my eyes sometimes when I read your posts. That irony & understanding story and the one where you broke down the time it takes and the one about the money and the $182 speeding ticket. I'm not laughing at you or anything like that. I delivered for 6-7 years. Oh yeah, I don't remember if you talked about the cat shit or not, but that one really tore me up.
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Using people's first and last names aswell as the city they live in is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Yes, you have the right to be bitter but I don't advise this. I'm a part time waitress at a carribean food restaurant, and hardly ever get a decent tip but it's a pain that comes with the job.
500lb Gorilla said...
Anon(Oct 9, 4:22),
Yup.. I wrote about the cat shit. Side note: Last time I was there the guy had to take a minute to move all the garbage away from the front door so he could squeeze through it enough to get the food. I wonder if he's going to beat the guy who lived in a sea of beer cans for about 8 years.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/odd/beercans.asp
Had to find pictures; so… the above link is a page that has some good info on the whole thing. You can't believe this until you see. Coors owes this guy a new liver or something.
Personally I don't hold my writing in high regard or even medium regard, but on here I really try to write it as I would say it; as best as that can translate. Trying to convey comedic timing in a written format is like chopping trees with playing cards.. possible, just very very hard. Those of you who know me personally and have worked with, know the effort I'll go through to make people laugh and keep the general stress level down by making people smile. Occasionally I will get a great positive comment on just being funny and that really makes my day. Thank you Anon, it is great to hear that I'm making someone laugh out there, even cry. Now if I could rise to, "peed myself a little", I will have truly achieved something.
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Dear all "this site will get sued commentors", Wal-Mart has several settled, pending, and future, lawsuits to handle. Most, if not all, successful endeavors bring about lawsuits. Reasons include: the law of averages, deep pockets, notoriety, and the general steamroller effect that all great successes have on society and the general populus.
I could explain all this in detail, but suffice it to say, this particular web-site hasn't the notoriety, steamrolling success effect, and deep-pockets, to warrant a legitimately effective lawsuit (money-wise). It may get shut down, but, I am sure that would produce a minimal loss (money-wise)on both sides (get-it?). Also, given the inception date, amount of traffic, etc. of this site, in my opinion, the law of averages would not yet apply.
Thank you, Anon.
p.s. (to 500lb) I knew a guy who had a trash penninsula next to his recliner. It was about 4 feet long, 1 foot wide, and 1 foot tall. It was a mix of things the guy needed like bills and things he didn't need, like pizza boxes, etc.
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To Leesburg, FLA. and
Seattle, WA., EEE-OUCH!!
I would've gotten nauseated after those stiffs!!
500lb Gorilla said...
Up to 163 entries in the database. GROW!!!!!!!! GROW!!!!... wait no.. that means less money..
I've had some to put in here lately I just haven't saved tickets. Hospitals mostly, the most ungrateful place to deliver. If these people can't show courtsey to a well human being I shutter at what the one's they care for have to endure. Ironically I've been cared for by nurses I delivered to. So things you just wish you were wrong about, but they sucked, so I never paid them.
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I have never been able to figure out the hospitals. It seems to be so universal among hospitals. Even the families of patients seem to be bad tippers. However, I would like to venture a guess. It appears to me that Pharmaceutical reps. often load Doctors up with free food which they share with Nurses, etc. I know an EMT and he often shares in the free food that is given. Therefore, hospital employess are used to getting free food. They probably never bring food to work. Therefore, they are mad that they have to pay for food in the first place. They are mad at themselves for not bringing food and saving money and they are disappointed that there is no free food as well. As far as the relatives, I am sure that many are them are from the small surrounding towns. They are not used to tipping (especially on the bigger city scale) and they are probably low on money as well (having family in the hospital, etc.).
It would be nice if you could group hospital orders together and get paid on the percentage. I would ask them if anybody else wants to order anything. Is there any way you could add a little delivery charge? You could explain that it is hard to park and ride elevators and hunt down people, so it ties up a lot of employee man hours to be delivering 6$ orders. Furthermore, you could have no delivery charge and make it a $20 minimum to all hospitals, that way, they would have to group their orders together. I know this girl that used to add a $1 delivery charge when the hospitals would call late at night.
I went to a specialty shop in the mall and had a neat little pin-on sign that read "thanks for your tips." I always pinned that on my shirt for a hospital run.
Alfred Acitelli said...
As a diner, I commend everyone out there serving tables. Its a tough job and I really appreciate the good service I get. I take a lot of grief from people who criticize how much I tip.
I always tip 20% or more regardless of service. However, if my server isn't happy or having a good day I'll ask for a new server.
On a $6 breakfast I'll tip $5 or $6. Just doing a percentage doesn't seem fair for all the coffee refills.
If service is poor, I've got no problem with tracking down a manager to either improve things or replace the server.
On business dinners, I tip twice. First, upfront with a brief conversation to ensure good service and second, tip again on the bill. Of course these meals are usually at the same restaurants where I'll be recognized as a regular.
The way I look at it, I pay real well for my dinner service to enjoy my dinner service.
This works well at restaurants I frequent, but gets a little dicey at places that don't know me.
One more suggestion on business dinners: Please look for the right spot in a conversation to stop by and ask how things are going. Please don't interrupt a conversation.
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when I get an order for a 2 liter bottle of soda along with their pizzas and it is a well known stiffer, I tend "accidentally" drop the soda.
500lb Gorilla said...
The best is to get a fresh cold 2 liter, hot and condensating. When you get to the door palm the 2 liter and let it slip as you hand it to the customer and follow up with the, "Sorry I thought you had it." It's been awhile since I used this, but I always smiled all the way back to the store.
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I really did accidentally drop a 2 Liter in this guy's front yard. He saw me do it and I apologized. I don't know why they did this, but his kid came out and the Dad told him to open the 2-Liter on the sidewalk. It blasted all over the place and shot up in the air like a sprinkler. I stood back, but they both got it on their clothes and everything. I guess it was cheap suburban entertainment, like when people flick a lit cigarette butt against a brick wall at night, as hard as they can, to watch the sparks fly. They tipped me, but I can't remember whether I took it off the bill or brought them another one.
500lb Gorilla said...
So once again it is the time of year when children down darkly colored costumes and run in to the streets toward my car screaming, throwing candy, rock, and severed zombie heads. I love this time of year.. really I do.. The decorations have gotten larger, scary and appearently more phallic.
So someone went out and bought a 6ft tall Gargoyle, with lightup eyes and lightup body. Well... the light for the body is in the bottom center, about the scrotal region. If your on Hill'n Dale watch out for speed humps and randy gargoyles.
[Ok.. the picture sucks, I know, but it's better than nothing]
Picture
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l320/mfc314159/DSC00067.jpg
This is also applicable and just as scary.
Random Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4gyJsY0mc
Enjoy
Disgruntled Driver said...
Speed humps, OMG. Too freakin funny man. Love the Pic. Randy Gargoyles are not yet passe.
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Where did they buy that thing? Check out the house on the corner of Fontaine and Shriner's blvd. (I think it is, the street that runs next to the Shriner's hospital).
They have a gigantic Homer Simpson, about 2 or 3 other kinds of those big inflatables, bales of straw, foddershocks, etc. They were also putting up more decorations as I drove by today.
500lb Gorilla said...
Erin B. Nutt.. am I immature if I find that funny?
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Went to Hacienda on Landsdowne Wed.nite.. What is wrong with that intersection? I mean they could've smoothed it out a little bit. I'm not going that way again, unless I have a 4X4.
The server at Hacienda brings us the chips and salsa right away. He gets our pitcher and pours both our glasses (even puts salt on our napkins). He saw me putting hot sauce in the salsa and brought us some hotter salsa. He checked on us several times and brought both our dinners at the same time and brought to-go boxes and boxed our leftovers for us. I gave him an $8 tip on a $34 order. I will definitely go back again!! I had the Carne-asada steak and my wife had steak fajitas with shrimp, both were excellent.
p.s. we were talking about this site on the way there, when we saw a certain restaurant sign atop a black car (about 7pm last Wed. nite on Landsdowne), nice car.
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Was at a resturant and could not get anyone's attn so we could get our drinks that had been sitting on the bar for 10 min. So I called 411 for the number and placed a call the manager answered so I told him to look his left for the guy waving his arm. Once he saw me I told him that the drinks in front of him for the past 10 min were ours and we would like to be able to drink them before they melted. How would anyone have tipped this waitress. We go to this resturant now at least twice a month and always ask for the same waitress have always gotten good service this way
500lb Gorilla said...
Yeah, the intersection at Lansdowne and Reynolds has been getting worked on here lately. They're putting up a stoplight, which I agree with, but they only really need one till about 8-9pm then the thing should just blink red and be a 4-way stop. Doubtful that will happen. The other interesting point of the intersection is that it has traffic cameras. There are major intersections that don't have cameras, but this one does? hmm? this place feels more like the movie Cube(more like Cube Zero) everyday. Appearently these cameras are not just passively watched either, I know so far of one person who has recieved a ticket for running a red-light in front of Mejiers after the light wouldn't change for him. I surely hope I'm out of school by the time they start issuing speeding tickets, because if that shit goes down delivery times will go way up, and the money go way down, and I am way out.
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I have gotten strange looks for tipping this way, but it seems to work. Once we have figured out what we are ordering, we figure the price and come up with what would be the tip at 20% for good service. Say, we're having a $100 dinner, tip is $20. I put the $20 bucks on the table and advise the waiter/waitress that this is their tip, if service is good. If I have to ask for something twice or ask someone else for something needed because we can't find our staff member, I just take money away from the tip. This way they see how much they are getting and when money is taken away they know why. Then, its up to them to provide great service if they want the full tip.
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Careful what you say?
Delivered a pizza to the Cedarwood Apts., Woodhill area once. The guy paid, got change, and said, "Want a tip?" I said, "Sure."
He said, "Get a better job!" I told the store Manager and he put the guy's address over the phones and marked it, 'pick-up only'. The guy called back a week later and was shocked. Then he called a few more times and we all laughed because it was like he was trying to catch someone there that didn't know him or something. He finally asked the Manager what he could do and the Manager told him to apologize to me. He did, and the ordeal was over.
I guess people think there are millions of us at the store and we don't talk to each other. I mean, not to mention the fact that the guy's address was up there, when I told the original story it spread like wildfire through all of the employees. I think people at other same store locations heard about it.
500lb Gorilla said...
Looks like someone was saving tickets or had a really bad night. Noticed the Police Station as a new addition. I've been shafted a good few times by communications, but last time I went there, the lady who ordered went and got me a dollar after I told her the total and what the combined amount I had been given for the two orders was. It was better than nothing and I least didn't have to wait 15mins.
Had some lunch at the Hartland Donatos the other day and I asked the manager what his drivers were making per delivery and he said $3 per including delivery fee. I feel bad for those guys if that really is their average being in such an upper-class location. $3 per delivery is alright if you average 3 deliveries an hour(gross would be about $15 an hour), but I don't think I saw a driver leave on a delivery in the 40 mins I was there.
500lb Gorilla said...
This website should prove to be interesting after some more submissions.
http://badparking.wordpress.com/
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Yes, there is such a thing as bad tippers, but is there such a thing as bad tipping streets??
Devonport, Winnie, Cambridge, Laredo, parts of Alexandria, Coburn, and Foreman. Are these bad tipping streets?
I remember certain streets and neighborhoods or parts of streets and neighborhoods that when a driver saw or heard them they groaned. I remember drivers used to say: "Wintergarden? Horrible."
Our only defense was to make up funny nicknames for these places. We used to call Pimlico, Pimplico.
500lb Gorilla said...
I like to refer to bad tipping streets as "No Tipland". I don't have much room to complain anymore after I got a $9 and a $6 from people in some shady apartments on Alexandria. While in my new expediting vocation we don't go to Cardinal Valley(Praise The Delivery Gods!), when I did go there Devonport, Cambridge, Deauville, and Oxford Cir, were definitely No Tipland. Coburn sucks too and the streets that touch it, all I ever got from them was St. Anger(ba da ching), along with the Richmond part of Fontaine, and anything that is an apartment on Lakeshore, more specifically anything that lives in an apartment in Sonnet Cove generally sucks. I do have a special place of hate in my heart for Winnie St and Royal Lex, just for all the crap I have to deal with over the year.
I do love some nameplay.....
Pimlico pkwy. = Pimp Lick Ho
Dicksonia dr.= Dicks on ya
Camelot West = Cameltoe Wet
Dix Dr, Cox St, and Phallic Ln =
ok there's no Phallic ln, but there is...
Gay Pl = who would name a street Gay Pl. c'mon(it's on the northend if you've never seen it)
Virgina= Vir-gin-a(pronouced like vagina)
Devonport = Devonpoop
Actually adding poop to any street works quite well.
Streetnames that are womens names you can always, do a, "Jane st. that bitch", "Kelly Cir. that whore"
Conversely Bryan Ave = "Bryan you son of a bitch"
5th - 7th street = 5th - 7th Level of Hell.
Park Ave = No place to Park Ave.
N. Hanover = N. Hand over all your money.
Turkeyfoot dr = Turkey poop
Wintergarden or Winterpark = The Wintergarden/park of my discontent
I'll think of some more here after a few shifts, but my favorite(other than Dicksonia) has to be
St. Joe Hospital = St. Poor(pronounced with an ebonic vernacular where the r is silent)
500lb Gorilla said...
I thought of a new web game yesterday, it goes like this.
When you encounter a house with a horribly displayed address, like behind the bushes, take a picture from the street of peoples house and post it so everyone can play the, "Find the Address Game". Is it behind the bushes? behind the tree? is it dark colored numbers on dark colored brick? or the infamous brass numbers that are worth shit? I see it all everyday and when I actually stop and explain to someone if I have difficulty finding your address, the people who need to find it quickly like, Police, fire and EMS may have a hard time too, and your shiny brass numbers may have just killed you because EMS were 30 seconds late, and you stopped breathing a few minutes ago.
Disgruntaled,
If we can get some pictures of houses(no need to post where their at), I have this whole thing worked out in my head and I think you could code it up pretty quickly.
Disgruntled Driver said...
Sounds interesting. Kind of like that bad parking web site. I'll create a seperate page. I just got back from TX, so it might take a few days before I find the time. Later.
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I've been on both sides as a delivery driver and customer. As a driver, if I got a buck or two - I was tickled. I didn't expect 20% for 20 seconds service. As a customer I wonder where does all the tipping stop. I work in customer service @ a bank & I don't get tipped. I wouldn't tip a lawyer for services rendered, so why do I HAVE to tip the hair stylist & the shampoo girl, and the manicurist and then PAY? please help me understand. Also as a customer I enjoyed a recent experience. The 1st night on vacation, I got LOUSY service at the resort restaurant and tipped accordingly. Later that week I went back to the same restaurant, got different servers, MUCH better service, and so I tipped MUCH better. When we got the server from the first night again, we got better service, and he EARNED & received a better tip. We weren't being cheap - just fair!
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Let me get this straight, Campus Pub ordered food delivered and did not tip. Ooooh, I think that is the Cardinal Sin of the service industry.
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Dear Anon,Nov.11th,
Definitely would like to say I disagree with the 20 seconds of service point of view.
Please see 500lb Gorilla, Sept.22 @4:16pm.
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To 500 lb self-impressed gorilla and disgruntled driver...
I still have to call BS on the whole "I'm in the worlds most dangerous profession so I deserve 20 percent as a tip because I don't even get gas money" thing...
Dominos and Pizza Hut pay a for gas on each order. I suspect other pizza places do as well otherwise they would never be able to attract drivers. Combine that with the fact that many pizza delivery places limit their delivery area to a 5 mile radius, that means if your car gets 20 mpg (conservative estimate), at $3.00 per gallon, you should be able to deliver 4 pizzas per gallon. The article I saw on Google indicated that most drivers got about 90 cents per order to compensate for gas. That means you are actually getting more than the actual cost of gas per gallon -- let's consider the extra "wear and tear" on your car.
If you get a moving violation, that is YOUR fault -- you broke the law. Don't blame it on your employer or the people you are delivering to. Nobody ever asked you to put other people lives in jeopardy (or your own) just so that the pizza would arrive on time. Also, it is up to you to be aware of potential hazards just as it is up to any driver -- commercial or otherwise.
Finally, for servers who find it so intellectually challenging to keep track of 3-5 tables, perhaps you should consider a profession that isn't quite so taxing -- like being a server at McDonalds. They don't have to rely on tips and they only have one customer at a time and McDonalds has set it up so even the most intellectually challenged individuals can be successful -- you don't even have to worry about figuring out how to make change -- that's what all them thar' fancy computin' machines are for.
Let's face it -- y'all are paid more than teachers, PhDs, college professors. If you don't like it, get another job -- one that DOES guarantee minimum wage.
Being a delivery driver or wait staff member must offer some benefits over say, retail or McDonalds or you wouldn't be doing it.
So quit complaining, blaming your reckless driving habits on others, your crummy tips on "the man tryin' to keep you down" and accept responsibility for your actions and your career. Great thing about America is that you still have the right to tell your boss (and customers) to take your job and shove it! Go across the street to KFC or any other fast food establishment and get paid what you are truly worth! Minimum wage.
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I worked at a high-end hotel in room service. It was much better than delivery driving. My car sat in the parking lot for 8 hours. There was no gas money, wear and tear, or traffic ticket issues. The money was a little better and if you got stiffed (which was rare), you just rode the elevator back to the restaurant, it was no big deal. What made it even better was nights when the servers would agree to pool their tips. That lessened the blow of a stiff.
I can't believe I typed that last sentence.
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Funny thing, I delivered food for about 8 years altogether and the only person I could remember was Nassar. He is the first bad tipper on the list, Shoal Lake, 1998. I don't remember anyone elses names or anything, but I can take you straight to that guy's house and show you his ugly, stingy, face if he still lives there.
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It's interesting that people are saying that waiters and waitresses shouldn't complain if they don't get tipped, because at their jobs they don't get tipped and they're not complaining. Well, at your job, you most likely make at least minimum wage. Servers can make less than minimum wage legally, because in theory they are getting tipped. They also get taxed on the tips that they should be getting because the government looks at their place of buisness' sales, and assumes that the server will be making at least a 10% tip off those sales. So when you aren't tipping, you're actually costing your server money. If you are too cheap to tip, why eat out? Eat at home and save everyone the trouble.
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Funny hypothetical,
A driver answers the phone and says Teresa Lee? Where have I heard that name before? 3904 Foxfire Ct.? Oh yeah, did you know your name is on a website? What website? Lousy Tippers.com.
What happens next??
Teresa hangs up? Asks for the manager? Jumps on her PC?
The Last Word said...
My hope is that all the good waiters, waitress's, bus staff and restaurant workers have a great holiday season.
I tip for good service,not good food. Smile a lot, just ask me if there's anything else I need and please, don't keep interrupting me while I'm in the middle of conversation.
Other than that I tip always 20% - 25% unless my wait person is nasty. The food can be lousy, but the service is what matters. Thank you to all who work hard at that job and good luck during this holiday season. I hope you make lots of money.
To the person who said "stop complaining and get another job", I say "get a life". These people work for the money and maybe they need a part time job or additional income or have children at home and need to work nights. If that's your attitude, I hope you cook a lot at home instead of visiting restaurants.
To restauranteers, keep smiling, enjoy, have fun and feel sorry for those nasty customers. Be thankful you aren't like them and have a great day. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND DEDICATION.....
500lb Gorilla said...
yeah.. been to busy to be sarcastic lately, but.. OMFG can it please stop fucking raining. These people are stupid.. the ones in the cars, trying to get somewhere at 15mph. I want to throw greek fire at them, and laugh, and cackle, and drive away as they burn to death.
That would make me happy.
BURN YA SONS OF BITCHES BURN!!!!
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85 cents is a terrible tip, unless it is from a hospital run. If I got close to a dollar from a hospital run, I was still mad, but I wasn't like vengeful mad.
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Just because you are a good waitress/waiter doesn't mean you will get the tip you deserve. There have been MANY MANY times that I have a table that leaves me an excellent comment card and tells me that I did a wonderful job, but still leaves me NOTHING. A verbal tip isn't worth much if you're not going to back it up with an actual tip. Some people are just cheap and pathetic. Sometimes it has nothing to do with the server, those customers will leave nothing regardless. I waitress at a casino, and we have many tables that would rather save that extra 10 or 20 bucks to stick in some slot machine than give a deserving waitress a tip. If you can't afford to tip, don't eat out! And to those who say that servers already get an hourly wage, so they shouldn't expect tips--WAKE UP! At most restaraunts the servers make around $3 an hour! Try living on that!
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i am a customer. i also worked as a waitress when i was 19-20 years old. it is one of the harder jobs i have ever had. really you run your tail off but if the resturant is understaffed you seem to the customer that you are giving poor service. that is what led to my demise as a waitress. i did make good money, but i just couldnt work "short" anymore. one person can only do so much.
anyway, i wanted to share my personal ideas on tipping. when my family eats out and we can afford it i like to be a generous tipper. i do not expect the staff to be at my table all the time, i like to enjoy the conversation with my family. i do like polite staff and if there is a problem a staff person who will try to fix it. i try not to be too demanding.
sometime if i am totally broke like one of the above entries mentioned, i do like to treat the family to pizza and myself to a night off of cooking, if im broke i dont tip very well, sorry.
i personally enjoy tipping because even though it is a persons job, if they are showing you respect, i like to return the favor. i do think that business' should pay their help more so it isnt necessary for the public to pay but that is just not the way it is. so if i have money i like to share the wealth.
also if i get my hair done i plan on tipping because that is a luxary. last time i got my hair done it was fifty dollars, i left a ten dollar tip. and its cool because the stylist is glad to have you back next time.
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just a note. if i go to the casino i only spend 20-40 dollars. its a night out but i cant afford to loose alot. anyway, the casino by our home offers free pop. i order the free pop and tip the wait staff. by the end of the night, which is usually an hour or less, i may have gotten 2 pops and tiped the wait staff 5 dollars.
Johan said...
Tipping is a horrible thing. The only good way to fix it, is if EVERYBODY stopped doing it on a publicly announced day, well in the future so everyone can prepare.
Very soon after that people will stop working in restaurants and bars, until the managers of those places see why: They underpay them. Then those managers are FORCED to pay waiters what they are actually worth to be able to get their employees.
I would be painful for a few weeks most, but it would solve all the terrible problems involved in tipping.
- People will buy coffee, a burger for a set price
- If service is bad, customers go somewhere else or refuse to pay the WHOLE bill. So the problem of bad service finally becomes the problem of the person responsible: the manager. It is unfair to put this responsibility in the shoes of waiting personel, because most of the time it is not their fault someone is not happy. (think weather, marriage, broken car, slow kitchen, etc.)
- If service is super, you can always leave a small tip as appreciation. But it should be an extra. A surprise, a bonus. For something extraordinary.
- Noone but the customers are able to force this change for the better
- The only ones laughing now, are the managers and the restaurant owners
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I think this site is halarious. What is even better is the people bitching about having to tip people are the ones who have never worked a day in the food service industry. As a waitress, on a daily basis I deal with disgruntled (for no reason) old people who come in everyday, who have literally shit their pants at our restaurant three times, but leave it to our guys in the back to clean up and leave dollar tips. But of course as waiters or waitresses we have to turn the smiles on.
Also, for the people who say you just shouldn't tip at all, THAN STOP GOING OUT TO EAT. COOK AT HOME SO YOU CAN BASK IN YOUR LOATHING OF THE WORLD.
..But hey, I don't hate my job (it pays off my car) Because for every disgruntled customer, there is a few fun loving ones who are genuinly happy going out to eat.
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Advice:
If you don't tip well in restaurants/bars, it is best to pay in cash.
Using a credit card and not tipping well may surely put you on this site.
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The Eurythmics must've been in Lexington,KY when they thought of the song "Here comes the rain again."
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I noticed there was 58 "delete the whole thing" voters on the poll.
What is wrong with someone not tipping you and you putting their name on this site. You are telling the truth aren't you?
What if someone called you an idiot, or punched you in the face, or keyed your car and you knew their name, would it be wrong to talk about it on a web-site?
I think the answer is no. I think what we have here is 58 people who would prefer to continue stiffing people and remain anonymous.
Personally, I think servers should be able to point and shout really loud, "That guy stiffed me!!" when they are walking out of the restaurant for example.
Also, if you witness someone going to the bathroom and not washing their hands you should be allowed to shout out "Pee Pee Paws" and point at them when they walk out of the restroom.
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I am not a server, but I can understand why a server would be upset if they were unfairly stiffed by a customer. However actually posting customer names/addresses seems to be going too far. Unless the server knows the person outside of their job, they are taking information gained from their employment and using it for a personal purpose.
My assumption is that the server is learning the full name of the customer/deadbeat when the customer pays via a credit/debit card or personal check. If it is a personal check, then the server has the person's address. If it is a credit card, then it is fairly easy to use the web to find an address once you have a person's name. In either case, the server would be using information gained in the performance of their job. In many cases the company the server works for could consider that to be confidential information. After all a customer does have the right to believe that when you hand someone your credit card, the only thing that is going to happen is the card would be charged - not that personal information would be used for any other purpose.
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When I am at a restaurant, I often know the names of the people sitting around me. They call their names out on the intercom, telling them their table is ready.
If they don't leave a tip, I will put them on this site myself.
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I will address:
the dehumanization of servers, the difficulty of the job, the impossibility of perfection, and why no less than 20% is acceptable
Tip should always be 20%, more if their service is great.
There really are so so many things that go into serving a table dinner.
If the server is unhappy its possible they had an awful experience with the table before them.
Remember the server is a human too. Despite the fact that their employers are trying to dehumanize them by dressing them in clothing that matches the decor of the restaurant and diminishes any for of a female figure (for women). Dressing the servers in this way makes them seem significantly subordinate. That is why a hoosier redneck feels like he can get a way with not tipping me. I'm not a bad person, not even a bad server. I treat everyone the same and I try not to bring my bad experience with one table to the next one. However, the way I'm treated as a server and the way I'm treated in daily life are two significantly different persons.
Here are a few scenarios to ponder if you think anything under 20% is acceptable
* Fine dinning is meticulous. If there are significant little details you enjoyed about your dinning experience the server was the one responsible for them. Ex. butter- needs to be piped into small crocks and covered with logo paper. Often time the crocks need to be found. The logo paper needs to be unpacked...
*Every person in the restaurant feels as-though they are the ONLY person in the restaurant. So when you ask for 2 olives and a lemon twist in your drink and the bar tender usually only puts one olive in a drink and it takes 5 minutes to type in the modification and the bar tender still gets it wrong. Well, let it go! And I don't want to hear about how that happened last time too. Why didn't you learn not to ask!?
* Bread bread bread. America, your fat! STOP OVER EATING!
* Speaking of fat, I love the people on diets that make me modify the hell out of their meal and then when the get their meal they want extra sauce, side of cheese, then they order dessert, and keep sucking down their sodas.
-p.s.. I can appreciate people who want to eat healthy, but don't make it my issue. Modify your meal once and stick to it.
* The server is in-charge of the entire experience. Even the nice buser! If the buser was just as capable of serving as the server then they would be doing it! I have to tell my buser every move to make. So its like baby-sitting and serving.
* People forget your human when your serving and if you let it bother you, you have a bad attitude.
* Restaurant managers are often times power-tripping nuts! Even when your doing everything right your doing something wrong! Its the only way for them, psychologically, to maintain power over you. Especially if your a smart little pre-med student. (They hate that!)
I could go on and on...
But if you don't like your server, ask for a different one at the beginning of the meal. If you want to be discrete about it simply ask the host to take you to a different table and ask who your new server will be to ensure you will have a different one.(I've done this)
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Oh, and I like what supper said. I would love to shout @ the people when they're walking out so everyone knows. But they're usually good about slinking out when I've walked away so I don't know they stiffed me untill they leave. assholes
I think this is an excelent website b/c I try not to vent @ work because I know everyone else is just as irritated about something as I am (or more often on drugs) So this is a good way to release some fury. I just let out a deep breath.... ah feels good.
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I was at a nice restaurant last night and the server was great and I tipped her very well. What a luxury it is to be waited on!
I go out quite often and it is very insightful for me to learn things like what 'Working my way through pre-Med' said. I want to be the perfect customer, because it is so wonderful to be served.
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Alright just so all of you ARROGANT piss ants get off your HIGH HORSE, ill have you know that I give every table the same GREAT service, and some people (you?!) are gonna stiff you anyway. If the food is late, cold whatev, its the kitchens fault most likely! when were standing around chatting its so we can keep our sanity, trying to put up with your snot nosed remarks. I take great pride in my waitstaff skills, but ive gotten stiffed plently, because people are INCONSIDERATE ASSHOLES not because of poor service. BTW, waitstaff generally dont make min.wage, so when you people ask why you should tip us to do our job, realize were getting paid about 3 bucks or under! Dont go out to eat, order pizza, etc. if you cant afford to tip, or cant get over yourself and stop looking down at people!
said...
btw, i dont know where you got that drivers got 90 cents per delivery at pizza hut, when I left it was 50 cents man, check that shit out before you start throwin rocks
said...
On Jenna's remark of less than min. wage, I present this.
http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2008/01/24/a-friendly-tip-from-your-waitress/
said...
This seems to be a general consensus among all servers: If you are not going to tip, cook at home.
What kind of person does it take to have the audacity to enter a restaurant knowing that they will not tip?
I call this 'Pre-Meditated Stiffing', when a person walks into a restaurant or orders delivery with 'intent to stiff'.
-SUpper.
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I found this site on accident, but it is shameful. What a bunch of whiners you ALL are. Here is the deal....NO ONE CHOSE YOUR JOB BUT YOU! Period. YOU and YOU alone are responsible for your life and your career. If you CHOSE to get pregnant at 17 and drop out of school and were "forced" to become a waitress then PLEASE dont sit up here and CRY like a baby because you cant get an extra 2-3PERCENT of the bill in your pocket. If YOUR JOB and the TERMS of YOU JOB dont please you.....GET A NEW JOB! But, if YOU CHOOSE to accept a job then you accept it.
TIPS are NOT a REQUIREMENT from society to YOU! If they were....they would be ADDED TO THE PRICE OF THE GOODS SOLD! Tips are a person way of telling you: yes, I recognize you have a crappy life, you performed a service for me and I appreciate the service. The reality is that MANY PEOPLE DONT APPRECIATE the service because it is YOU DOING YOUR JOB.
The "service" indutry is amazing to me. What a bunch of thieves! Do you see BANK TELLERS asking for a tip and complaining when they dont get one? NO! But, why not...did they not just perform a service for you by making your deposit/withdrawl for you? Do you see your POSTAL WORKING knocking on your door and holding his hand out asking for a tip? NO! And why not they perform a service too. NOT ONLY do most people consider their job "a service" but you dont see them crying and trying to wreak revenge on their "customers" because they didnt get their way like a little baby.
I am so disappointed in you people. For those of you that burnout in people's yards, spit in their food, or otherwise commit crimes YOU BELONG IN JAIL. You wonder why you dont get tips...BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHILD AND YOU ACT LIKE ONE. If you want to earn a realy salary and stop crying because you HAD TO ACCEPT a bag of change as a tip.....GET A REAL CAREER. Otherwise, if you enjoy being a pizza boy, a low end hairdresser, or a waiter/waitress...BUCK UP AND DO YOUR JOB AND STOP WHINING!
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I've been in many settings where the tip was included/required.
Two examples are: most Hibachi table Japanese restaurants and almost any place you go with 8 or more people in your party.
Also, I have been on a cruise ship and you have to tip the Maitre de, your porter, and a host of others that serve you.
Moreover, try to go to a strip-bar without tipping, ha, ha!
Furthermore, many times I will tip servers and others who take care of me just because I think they are having a hard time in life or are at a tough point in their life.
They may have made a mistake by having kids early or made other bad financial mistakes or come from a poor and/or broken home.
However, if I can sense they are sincere and have a sincere heart, I may give them a great tip, even if their service didn't necessarily warrant it.
Kharma, What goes around comes around, Jesus said, "Whatever you do to the least of ye, you also do to me." These things alone are good enough for me.
-SUpper
said...
Also forgot,
There are plenty of 'everyday workers' who are considered for tips and little tip type bonuses around the holidays.
Hate to show the competition here, but please see this great site-
http://www.tipping.org/tips/us.html
-SUpper
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I am the child of a career waiter and the sister of a career bartender. My fathers worst nightmare was for my brother to be a bartender. I witnessed days where my dad would come home with a couple of dollars and days where he would have a couple hundred dollars. This is how people make a living.
Personally I have NEVER left less than 12%( this is my personal number for bad service) and that only occurs when my food has been sitting under the light for over 30 minutes or when I have to wait 30 minutes just to place a drink order. I believe that 20% is minimum for good service. I like to leave at least that because when I think what $20 can buy nowadays I think that if they did a really good job they deserve more. 20% should be standard and automatically added to the bill(by adding to the price of the food on the menu). There are certain ethnic backgrounds that have problems with tipping and unfortunately they are very common. Be kind to your servers, after all they carry your food from the kitchen to the table and a lot can happen in that time.
GREAT IDEA TO START THIS WEBSITE!!!Next start a website to promote good tippers, I bet it would encourage people to tip better, after all everyone loves recognition.
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The "service" indutry is amazing to me. What a bunch of thieves! Do you see BANK TELLERS asking for a tip and complaining when they dont get one? NO! But, why not...did they not just perform a service for you by making your deposit/withdrawl for you? Do you see your POSTAL WORKING knocking on your door and holding his hand out asking for a tip? NO! And why not they perform a service too. NOT ONLY do most people consider their job "a service" but you dont see them crying and trying to wreak revenge on their "customers" because they didnt get their way like a little baby
****I don't know what hole you live in but even my garbage man asks for a tip on X-mas so you need to walk in other peoples shoes you are an inconsiderate person who will find your kharma one day. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND. My dad was a server and he retired at 62 with over a millon net worth, so serving can be a career but not with people like you around. I am a professional who sees that people need to be treated like people not slaves who work for free.
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My dad tipped our fence guys, $150. I have offered to tip the UPS guy. I have tipped my mechanic, I have tipped grocery baggers. I have tipped pizza people that work inside the store. The list goes on and on.
I don't handle my mail or else I would definitely tip the letter carrier, especially around Christmas or if I get many special deliveries.
The way I 'sort of ' tip bank employees is I buy-in to all of their bake sales or other charitable promotions that they have going on. Since they handle money for a living, tips are a little uncouth. However, I always like to throw a few dollars their way when they ask me to 'contribute'.
If people seem surprised, I just tell them something like " I would like to buy you a coke" or lunch, etc. It really seems to make people's day. I would recommend this to anyone that can squeeze a few extra dollars into their budget.
What was that movie where Steve Martin was a Mafia guy and Rick Moranis was a federal agent and Steve Martin went around tipping everyone for the slightest little thing they did for him? What a great movie. Wouldn't life be just a little better that way?
-SUpper
-SUpper
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Gagliano Maurizio Di Marco's Addison Il October 2007 Over $100.00 $3.00
Hmmm...
Personally, I would be kind of afraid to put this person on this site.
SUpper
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In IL servers are only paied somewhere between $3 and $ 4 per hour. This is way below minimum wage. This is becasue restaurants know that customers should tip based on service. Normal customers do tip 15%-20% for a good server. If the customer is generous or has alot of money they will tip more. I waited on weatherman Hary Volkman before in the past @ the Olive Garden in Schaumburg. He tipped me 30-35%. If you ever get him, and give him good service he tips really well. Nice guy. Now there are cheap customers who tip 10% or less for good service. In my opinion if you can not afford to give 15% + for good service you should order takeout, or better yet go to the grocery store and get and make your own food. Servers bust their butt for the customers and as long as they work hard they deserve a good tip.
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The guy who posted on February 15, 2008 4:43 PM under anonynous is quite a jerk. Does he not realize that 40-60% of the servers out college students trying to make thier lives better by working to make money for school. I was a waiter while in college. Also some people are servers as a 2nd job trying to pick up extra cash to get a new car, presents, or etc. Does he not realize that servers make much less thatn minimum wage? He is one of those cheap jerks who advocates the return of slavery for all races in the form of him being the king of whatever little castle he lives in. What a jerk. If you can not afford to tip 15% for good service you do not have enought money to eat out. Go to a fast food place for your food where you do not need to tip.
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Also as a request from all servers in the world. If you bring your babies, or small children to the restarant. Do not let them run around like wild monkies. Keep them @ the table, and make sure they behave like young humans. If they want to act badly take them to McDonalds where they have a play area. Even there they should behave normally. When you have your kids running around the restarant knocking everyting over and throwing food @ other customers and the servers you look like a horrible parent that has absolutely no control over your children. Grow up and take care of your kids.
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This site probally does not have as much to worry about in the form of lawsuits. In order for someone to post a bad tipper here they would either need to know the full name of the person, or the customer would have had to pay by credit card. When the customer pays with credit their name shows up on the reciept. This way the server posting on this site has a name, date, amount of bill, and amount of tip. Since no credit card ID #s are being posted, and the tip info can be verified this site is just posting facts. There is no possible risk of lawsuit for liable or slander, since it would be facts being posted. If any fale information is posted that would be the responsibility of the poster. They would need to make sure they are placing correct info so they themselves do not risk any trouble. This is a great site, as long as the servers are honest and place postings only if the customer tipped badly, not if they have personal feelings against the customer (such as if it is an ex bf/gf).
said...
Just so you know the government usually expects the server to make @ least 8% tips off of all the food and drinks they sold. The goverment taxes off of the tips made. If the server ends up with 18% tips the gov't taxes that. If the server gets royally screwed by an onslaught of cheap lazy customers and end up with 5% tips for the night. The goverment will tax as if they made 8%. For some reason the goverment expects customers to not be cheaper than that. Unfortunatly sometmes they are wrong. There are cheap jerks that tip less that 5% even. Those people should not be allowed to eat out ever. They should have someking of mark placed on them so they will be banned for life from any restaurant and/or bar.
said...
TIPS stands for "to insure prompt service."
Caitlin said...
One of the listings on here said someone tipped $2.00 for a less than $10.00 bill. Whats wrong with that? Two of less than ten is more than 20%. What do you expect?
said...
I read above where someone said that for truly horrible service you should tip 10% and have a talk with the manager.
If I get horrible service you'll get two pennies. I work hard for my cash and I won't G-I-V-E it (because that's what you do when you tip - you give money. It's not manditory) to someone that gave me a bad meal experience.
Seriously - get more education, get some motivation and get a job.
said...
wow, great site! wish this had been around some years back when i was still serving food. i really think everyone should have to spend some time as a foodserver to get a better understanding of just how demanding these jobs can be. there are many different variables that contribute to the overall dining experience, and it seems that many people look for any excuse to 'stiff'.
years back had 4 people come into my restaurant and order a ton of food. soup, salads, and high end steak dinners were ordered and i provided the customers with nothing but the best service, as they were one of two tables that was left in my section. As it turns out, one lady found a moth in one of them whitish crunchy pieces of lettuce in her salad...i had a gut feeling that these people were pulling a scam and had done it before, but thats besides the point. get the manager, he does some ass kissing, comps their ENTIRE meal, dessert and all. from what i can remember it was around $175. the restaurant did everything in its power to try and 'right the wrong' and when the smoke cleared and these people left, i stood their in disbelief as they left me ZERO!
i was speechless, it was a good thing that i didn't get a chance to see them leaving towards the parking lot cause i would have caused a huge scene. THIS is exactly the type of situation sites like this were intended. a true server knows when a poor tip is justified as much as he/she expects one for a job well done!
Let's just say that i feel bad for those 'serial stiffers' that frequent the same establishments religiously, waitstaff are known to find disgustingly creative ways to fuck with your food. some of which still make me gag thinking of...
Kenowi74 said...
I work in the service industry and understand bad tips. Tips are at peoples discretion. I dont like when they arent good but it is at peoples discretion. Maybe people that get bad tips should look in the mirror. No one has to tip and I know that so when I get one no matter the size I thank them, then I go and complain to myself, but it was their choice. So maybe its your fault and if not it happens grow up and go on.
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Seems to be two sides on the tip/service thing. This one is in favor of the tip side.
We had a customer that ordered on a regular basis. This customer was a great tipper. The word quickly got out and everyone would fight over them and they often got extra food for free.
This is the kind of service, I don't mind paying for. You get what you pay for, right?
Many times I will laughingly/casually mention early on in the dining experience or over the phone, that my co-diner is a great tipper or that I have worked in the service industry.
Anything to try to get that competitive edge in the fight for my server's attention.
I guarantee this, it is very rare that I don't get great service and then some.
-SUpper.
said...
I discussed this site to a server. He said he wanted to take pictures of bad tippers with his cell phone and put them on a site like this.
-SUpper
said...
"There is a Consequence"
said...
Nicely done! Great idea-- though pictures would be better (and would probably get the site in trouble.)
I'm not a waitress, but once was and there were two things back then I wished everyone knew:
1) when you don't tip, you are actually COSTING money-- the government takes at least 8% (in NYC) from the total of any transaction as "tip tax." (unless the customer has written in the tip on the credit card receipt-- in that case the govn't taxes the whole amount.)
So if you have a $100 dinner and leave nothing, then that waiter just paid $8 for the pleasure of waiting on you.
2) Sometimes it's the kitchen's fault! They can be slow or backed up.
That's all. Of course, there are waiters out there (and delivery guys) who are just plain jerks and there's no excusing that.
Actually, a "snotty waiter" database could be pretty handy in NYC. A "snotty maitre d'" database would be even better.
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Anonymous said... COPY & PASTE
I found this site on accident, but it is shameful. What a bunch of whiners you ALL are. Here is the deal....NO ONE CHOSE YOUR JOB BUT YOU! Period. YOU and YOU alone are responsible for your life and your career. If you CHOSE to get pregnant at 17 and drop out of school and were "forced" to become a waitress then PLEASE dont sit up here and CRY like a baby because you cant get an extra 2-3PERCENT of the bill in your pocket. If YOUR JOB and the TERMS of YOU JOB dont please you.....GET A NEW JOB! But, if YOU CHOOSE to accept a job then you accept it. COPY & PASTE
**** Are you still out there??
-SUpper
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I had a horrible experience at a local restaurant last nite. Me, my husband and a friend went in and were served rudely. Here is what happened:
1. The menus were just thrown on our table.
2. The waitress was sulking at us the whole time.
3. The food was just kept on the table with no explanation to what it was (two of our entrees looked very similar).
4. In the end she got us a bill and said 18% had been added.
We were not sure why we were automatically charged 18%. She didn't give us a clear answer and after some discussion it came out and she said that we (and a group of people) had previously paid her less than 10% tip and we always pay her less regardless of how she served. And said she remembered this.
At this point, I told her she is wrong and that we always pay atleast 15% and that I don't have the bills to prove this to her. But she went on saying she remembered and that we came quite often. Now I went once early jan and before that in sept. I don't think that is "often".
But why should I have to prove anything to her. If she really thought that we tipped her less, she she had have told us on the supposed day we tipped her less.
I really liked the food in this restaurant, but now I feel I have to stop eating there because for some unknown reason I have been targeted.
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Christmas Eve this one lady ordered pizza from us and I got the fun job of delivering to her. Well, I get there and I ring the doorbell. No answer. I knock. no answer. I finally call them on my cell phone. she answered the door and she asked why I didn't answer when she asked "who is it?" I told her that there is alot of noise out here and I did not hear her. she took the pizza and gave me the money and a person in the background said that she wanted ALL of the change back. I did not carry loose change as wea re not required to and gave the dollars back. I got back to the store and she had called there stating that the pizza was not fresh and that she wanted a new one made AND she wanted her coin change back. the manager said "NO" that the pizza had just come out of the oven and that she will not get another one. I did give the coin change back later that night after closing with a little note telling her to use that change and buy herself a conscience. they haven't ordered since. manager won't do anything to me because he said she was just plain nasty.
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Dear Anon. 03.03.08, 11 a.m.,
What a shame that one bad apple can ruin a restaurant. If I owned that place, that server would be gone, just for the fact that she even had that kind of discourse with a customer.
I would suggest maybe going when she wasn't working or trying to sit in another section.
Possibly, (if you really want to take this kind of a shot) go in, sit down, address her promptly, and tell her straight out you are going to tip 15% for sure and tell her sorry for the confusion before, but you would like to bury the hatchet and start fresh.
It is possible that this last option could really work out well for you, even though it is a little humbling, since you are the one who is right.
I do realize I didn't suggest talking to the manager or owner. If you really want to do this, I would make up with her, dine there a couple of times (so that your off her radar) and then anonymously tell the manager or owner some general complaints about her (ones that all her customers may have, i.e. complaints that don't pin-point you as the complainer).
-Best of luck, SUpper.
said...
Sorry, the above should have read:
Dear Anon. 03.01.08, 11:08 a.m.
_SUpper
said...
Hey please delete #317 on your lousy list...I was searching the site and put MY address in by mistake.. Thx
satellitex53 said...
I really wish this list was more publicly known about it my area...I work in North Dallas, in the Addison area, and for the most part we servers make really good money. However, I do get a lot of people who come in and tip me like crap, and I have no idea why. I get enough compliments and really good tips to know that I'm a decent waitress, so I don't think my service is lacking.
Anyway, I added this guy's name to the list, David W Hand, because he came in with a really nice lady, and they were pretty decent to me, he sat down and had a couple glasses of wine along with a nice dinner, and then camped at my table for 2 hours. I answered all their questions about food, wine, etc, pleasently and sufficiently, checked back on them to make sure the food came out right, refilled their drinks, and when they were leaving told them to have a good evening and drive safely [the weather was terrible]. So why did he tip me 2.00 on a 50.00 tab? Anyway, if anyone in the dallas area reads this, David W Hand is medium height, blood, and has a sort of lisp.
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Dear satellitex53,
Funny, I would hate to have that name as a guy.
My wife would never let me leave a crappy tip like that.
If I had a regular girlfriend or was on my first few dates, I would try to impress her by leaving a big tip or at least show her I am a steady man by leaving 15-20% every time. Also, I would be taking her to a movie and/or nightclub and would not want to tie-up two hours on dinner.
Mr. Hand might not have much tip-type money left after paying for a wife and mistress.
Cheaters love going out in bad weather it gives them an alibi for time.
If his wife sees this, he could lose thousands in divorce. See why tipping is so important?
Why not hand him a little survey next time to see what might be wrong? If he writes down everything is great and still tips two bucks or if he doesn't fill it out and still tips two bucks, then I am right.
-SUpper.
said...
What's going on in Somerset? Clubhouse Dr., the Bank, That place is lousy with lousy tippers.
said...
Per Somerset Ky, Sent Kid to the door,
I used to think that people sent the kid to the door because they were ashamed to face me because they weren't going to tip.
I found out that sometimes the kid takes the tip!
-SUpper
Disgruntled Driver said...
There's someone out there playing tricks on the site. It might take me a while to make some corrections.
Disgruntled Driver said...
Ok, I think I've finally made the necessary changes. I do have to make an apology. We lost about 20 post from the database. I had to make some changes to try and stop the attacks and didn't properly back up the data base. Anyway, we should be back up on track now. Later.
said...
I love when the lousy tippers have the nerve to return to my restaurant. They always get a little something extra in their food, no extra charge.
Disgruntled Driver said...
I can't agree with the last post. As angry as I've been in the past I've never approved of tampering with the food. Now making sure that it gets delivered last and consequently a little cold, well that just human nature. The whole point of this site was to give people an opportunity to vent. I suggest listing them here to expose them to public ridicule instead of doing anything to the food.
Disgruntled Driver said...
We've had some people trying to attack the site lately. I made some changes to the database and I believe I fixed the problem. One guy was responsible for several attacks. I tracked his IP and it turns out he's from China. Follow the link below and you can see a picture of his neighborhood. Simply type in his IP address (which is 58.22.101.123) into the IP or Host Lookup box in the upper left side of the page. Then click the lookup button and you'll see a picture of his location. Ha! Living under the jackboot of an oppressive government, you'd think he'd have better things to do.
http://www.ip-adress.com/details.php?
said...
I must be doing it wrong..It keeps sending me to the ocean off the west coast of Africa.
Lousy Hackers, "There should be a consequence." Oh yeah, here is a special message to the Chinese hacker !@$#)_)*!@%$@. I think that means "long duck dong" in Chinese.
said...
Per food tampering,
That is one of the biggest mistakes we all make. We think a restaurant or a business is 'OURS'.
The restaurant is not yours. If it was, you definitely wouldn't be tampering with the food.
I suppose you hate your boss and your co-workers too, because you are putting all of their jobs in jeopardy.
--SUpper.
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Dear Ok city, OK,
They should have at least given you a joint with the .74.
-SUpper
said...
" Finally, if anybody else has an idea of an off limits person, please post it on the Lousy Blog"
Super hot chicks shouldn't have to tip, they are so hot. Like that Natalie Gulbis chick that plays golf. Just serving her is tip enough.
said...
Uh Oh, looks like hacker-script on that "Swallow" entry.
Why don't you hackers do something right and hack the IRS web-site?
Disgruntled Driver said...
You're right. That last post was from the hacker I mentioned earlier. His IP is 58.22.101.123 In the future I'll try and block him from the database.
On another note, I just got through my surgery yesterday and everything seems to be ok. My thanks goes out to all those who kept me in their prayers.
said...
First, as a customer, I would like to say thank you to all of the waitstaff that have enabled me to enjoy many evenings out with my family where I do not have to cook and clean after a meal. You have provided an excellent and much appreciated service. I have never worked in the service industry, but as a business owner, I can only imagine some of the customers you have dealt with over the years.
Second, I have a question that I have never known the answer to. If I order a to-go order from a sit-down restaurant, am I expected to give a tip to the hostess or waitperson that brings that order to me? I have always tipped in this situation as well, considering that someone still had to take the order over the phone and bag the order. If so, what is an acceptable amount/percentage?
said...
Middle aged white women are the WORST tippers. I hate to be stereotypical but it's true. Teenagers and a lot of hispanics are very lousy tippers. One of the servers told me last night that he's an expert at reading people. He said as soon as they open their mouths he can tell if they are going to tip good or not. I'm getting at reading people as well. I had a woman ask me last night if we had any diet items on the menu. I'm thinking give me a break. I said the salad would work and her hubby laughed. We're a steakhouse for God's sake. If you want a diet lunch eat at home! Now since I'm getting a little better at reading people if I get a clue they're going to stiff me or whine the entire time (no matter how many hoops I jump through), they'll get the bare minimum and I'll save my goodness for customers who do appreciate me and the good service I give.
said...
To April 11th 2008,
I always tip on pick up orders as well. However, I usually only tip a dollar or two or around 10%.
This seems to make the servers happy.
I am pretty sure they get stiffed in the pick up order scenario more than any other. Hence, they are happy to get just about anything for a tip.
--SUpper.
said...
Ahh yes,
I used to enjoy the challenge of trying to get a tip out of the middle-aged white women when I was bagging groceries.
I would say I was about 70% successful. I would always be overly nice and chatty. I would try to extend our time together and fill it with chat and super-service with attention to detail.
I think this surprised them so much, that many of them felt compelled to give me a tip.
Oh, a little flattery and flirting never hurts!!
--SUpper.
said...
Got an outside idea on the Chinese hacker. A Chinese woman told me that tips are generally not accepted in China. If you try to give one they supposedly "get scared" and will not accept it.
Maybe, this tipping site is a Westernization threat to their society?
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Ok, so for everyone telling us to get a "real" job or that this job is a joke and look down on us and think we are less than them, if we all actually took your advice there'd be no eating out in resturants for anybody.
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Knowing that those people on Hell's Kitchen have been cooks and chefs for years, makes me scared to eat out anyway.
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Delivering to apartments blows. They are harder to find than houses and it is always the jokers on the third floor.
Kirklevington, in Lexington, really sucks. They are not well lit and sometimes you have to park far away and walk through grass and then it is 2 or 3 flights of stairs and you might get a dollar or nothing.
So, you are also having to pay for their crappy decision on where to live. If they had looked at those places at night they would've never rented there.
Yeah, they were cool-lookin' in the 70's, but the neighborhood has gotten a lot worse and they are also dilapidated (sp?).
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Such a thing as a "lifetime stiffer?" Ha, ha, someone please ask 1325 Dale Drive how long they have lived there.
I used to work for Little Caesar's Centre Pkwy. and 1325 Dale Drive, I swear they were always "stiffers."
The only thing is: It has been 12 years since I worked there. The store isn't even there anymore.
--SUpper
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I wanted to say a little about the hackers hitting the site. I improved the security and this should reduce this junk. Sorry about the delay in fixing these bugs. Later.
Such a thing as a "lifetime stiffer?" Ha, ha, someone please ask 1325 Dale Drive how long they have lived there.
I used to work for Little Caesar's Centre Pkwy. and 1325 Dale Drive, I swear they were always "stiffers."
The only thing is: It has been 12 years since I worked there. The store isn't even there anymore.
--SUpper
Gave the BW3's guy a monster tip last night, because he took a coupon that was no good!!
--Lude
so we call black people "canadians" and canadians cant tip! 2 dollars on a 150 dollar check. ran me like crazy. fuck them. i hope they had a blowout on the freeway when they drive home
I'd like to just say a few notable things. First of all to all you cheap Douche bags that say get a real job and stop whining about your tips. If we did that honey then who the hell would wait on your fat ass, "and it probably is very fat",. Also who would cater to you sir and your entirely self-important over-blown ego. I'm a server in Southern Cali. My service is very good. I'm very attentive and realize I'm there to do a job and not socialize. Now my biggest problem is, that we are now in a recession these d-bags and house biotchs w/kids and fake boobs are tipping from 15-20 to 15-10. Yes we're in a recession but I still have bills to pay and work very hard to ensure you have a good experience. If you're not going to care about my tip then I'll find it difficult not to stand by the server station and drink coffee. Don't tip me at all then Bentley driving cheap mtherfckr. Eat your slop and get the hell up out my fxxxing section. If your bill's 100 dollars and I give you great service try giving at least 15.00 dollars. Its getting worse. Used to be folks would come in for their birthdays and expect the whole staff to sing to them. Now they get a solo from me . . . that's it. You cheap fcks are gonna give me 5% and cut corners? Ok I'll cut corners out o my service then. Have a nice day douchebags.
margaux said...
I am doing a survey on tipping for a writing class. Please take it to help me out! Thanks so much!!!
http://www.eSurveysPro.com/Survey.aspx?id=9a2b2492-7cb3-4779-a986-04129f6100c3
Just a general statement about tipping. I've never really worked in the service industry and have never had to work for tips, but I know plenty of people who have. I generally tip really well %25-%50 even as much as %100 if I got hooked up with anything. But then there are the times where I have ordered something pretty expensive and just had horrible service. Just because something costs $100 dollars I don't think tip amount should be based on what the price of what was ordered. I'll generally leave a dollar for each alcoholic bevarage that was ordered, if I'm paying at that moment, but then sometimes that ends up being almost a %30 tip, and it might have just been a beer that was poured. Many times I'll wait until the end of the night to tip on that kind of stuff, and leave an appropriate tip then (might be more than $1 per drink, might be a little less, but usually at least %20.) I just think the service industry expects a little too much just because what they are serving has a higher price. I might not tip you the same for $100 worth of sh*t as I would $100 worth of something better. In the end I think it's a ratio of service to product to consumer expectations that earns you the tip you may be looking for. Just my two cents. Good night.
Bethleham PA, Ouch! That is the worst kind of tip, to work your ass off for 1.70. I am sure you would've much rather have never seen the people. Yet, they can always say they tipped you! Ouch!
-Coldstream
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No longer can someone put you down because they think you can't do anything about it. You can at least burn 'em up on the internet.
God bless America
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You think you might need a job, girlfriend, hobby, or something??
Maybe a psychologist..
Dear,
She thinks tipping is a FLAWED SYSTEM
The flaw is somewhere in her brain.
HERE IS ANOTHER FLAWED SYSTEM.
THe MIND OF LESBI1668
Count me out on that OK city deal. Wow, what a bunch of deadbeats.
Sometimes I like to tip, just to pass around cash to strangers. In my own little way, I think I am helping to prolong a cashless society
Those who don't tip will end up on TipStiffers.com
help
WELL HERES A BALL BUSTER, THERES THIS FAT BITCH THAT COMES IN THE RESTAURANT ALL THE TIME WITH HER 2 YEAR OLD, SHE ORDERS MOZERRLE COROZZA, TURKEY CLUB, FRIES, AND 2 COKES, I GIVE EXCELLENT SERVICE, MAKE SMALL TALK, ACT INTERESTED, TALK TO THE BABY, SHE GETS THE CHECK AND LEAVES 0, I ASK WAS THE SERVICE OK, SHE SAYS OH YES, NEXT TIME SHE COMES IN WITH FIVE OTHER FAT FUCKS AND THGE 2 YEAR OLD BABY AND ORDERS, 3 MOZERELLES, FRIES, TURKEY CLUBS, AND 5 COKES, SHE MUST HAVE COME WITH NO MOINEY, SO HALF WAY THRU FATSO EATING MOST OF HER DINNER, WITH CHESSES AND SAUSE DRIPPING DOWN HER FACE, SHE SAYS MY MOZZERELLE SUCKS, I SAY OK, LET ME GET YOU ANOTHER, WELL THIS ONE SUCKS TOO, BY THE WAY THE WHOLE DINNER SUCKS, WELL, ILL TELL YOU OUR FOOD IS TERRIFIC, AND IT DIDNT SUCK, SHE WAS WORKING HER SHIT SO SHE DIDNT HAVE TO TIP AS USUAL, I TELL HER ITS NOT MY FAULT AND WHAT CAN I DO TO MAKE IT BETTER, BY THIS TIME ALL THE FOOD WAS EATEN, SHE GETS HER CHECK AND AGAIN LEAVES 0, I LOSE IT, FINALLY AFTER OVER 20 YEARS I BLOW MY FUCKING TOP, AND SAY WELL WOULDNT THIS FIGURE, NO TIP, YOU CHEAP FUCK, DONT YOU EVER COME IN THIS PLACE AGAIN, BOY DID IT FEEL GOOD TO LET THAT CHEAP FAT PIG A PIECE OF MY MIND, BY THE WAY SHES NEVER BEEN BACK, ALLELUHAH MICHELLE FROM THOMASTON CT
Great post. Sorry about the hideous customer. I love when they threaten not to ever come back again. Come on, don't they have a clue that we don't ever want them to comeback again? It's like saying, "I'm so mad at you I'm going to do your laundry, mow your ward, and fix your car for free. So there, take that." And we just sit there and say, ok. Well, I hope you put her name in the database so the next server might get a heads up. Really, your post is what this site is all about.
Two things...My Co-Diner tried to pay the bill and I ended up paying it..BTW, I also raised the tip amount!! Yes!!......Second thing. I used to work at this pizza place and people would call and say "Yeah, the last time we ordered we got our pizza and there wasn't very much cheese on it" I was like, yeah, that is why it is the cheapest place in town. We put the exact amount on every pizza, unless we know the person, or it is for us..Also we can put extra cheese on it, but it will cost you.
This lady called the pizza place and said, "We just got our pizza and it wasn't cut." The manager said, "What do you want me to do, send a driver out with a knife?"
I bet Michelle is hot.
FUNNY THOUGHT JUST ENTERED MY MIND, NOT ABOYT TIPS, BUT WHEN I FIRST STARTED I WAS COCKTAIL WAITRESSING, OVER 20 YEARS AGO, PRETTY YOUNG ANS GREEN AT THE TIME, ILL NEVER FORGET WHEN I SPILLED A MARGARETTA ON THIS GUYS PANTS, I MEAN BETWEEN HIS LEGS, HE WAS WITH HIS WIFE, AND WITHOUT THOUGHT I TOOK MY TOWEL AND STARTED WIPING THE STAIN OFF FOR HIM, HIS WIFE ALMOST KILLED ME, IM SURE HE LIKE IT THOUGH, SHE TOOK OVER FROM THERE, I WAS A KID AT THE TIME SWO NO THOUGHT WENT INTO IT AS FAR AS ME CLEANING THE MESS.I WONDER HOW THE TIP WAS???????i guess it depends on who tipped me, the wife or the husband,ha!
We use to get phone calls from people and They would yell in the background..."OKAY, I GOT THE PIZZA PLACE ON THE PHONE, WHAT DOES EVERYBODY WANT?"
What in the Hell are these people in Hoffman Estates ordering that is 100 damned dollars??
Haven't seen anything from the Hacker for awhile....Must be doing the 100 Second Freestyle on the Couch.
What impact did the rest of the World have on the Chinese as far as tippiing goes??? I have heard tipping is kind of a touchy issue in China.
It appears the gov't doesn't like the idea of all that potentially unreported exchange of cash.
I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE ARE ALL THE WAITSTAff BLOGGERS?I MEAN I KNOW THERE ARE TONS OF HORROR STORIES OUT THERE, WHY IS EVERYONE SO AFRAID OF SHARING WITH US. SOMEHOW WE NEED TO PASS THE WORD THAT THIS SITE EXISTS. KEEP ON BLOGGING, EVEN IF ITS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY BLOGGED, LETS KEEP THIS SHIP FROM SINKING MAN
B Green retorts:
I am a victiim of a cruel joke. I have NOT been to Bogey's Steakhouse during the entire months of July and August. I am viewed by the work staff as a proper tipper ( I tip 20% because the math is easier) I rarely have a tab in the 90-100 range because I cocktail at Bogey's and that tab would have me doing the knee walk.
To b green. No biggy. I'll take your word for it. But I am a little curious. How did you hear about this site and what made you check to see if you were on the list?
To Michelle/thomaston. Thanks for the encouragement. The more people that know the better the site will get. I thought of putting up a message forum but I'm not sure how much it would get used. It's something to think about. Thanks again.
Ever see 2 & 1/2 men where Charlie was low on money and only gave the pizza guy two bucks? The pizza guy just looks at him and says, "Well...we had a good run."
so i recently just started working at a different applebee's in a different town and the tips are TERRIBLE- it's normal for everyone to sometimes get stiffed, and servers get all excited if they get anything above 15%.
I have been finding it so hard to pay bills that before I never had to think about (at the old place, tips were great). Everyone at this new place says,"yeah, well this town is poor you know"), and I say, "well ppl just shouldnt come out to eat. you are ruining my day and waisting my time."
So I was thinking about writing an op-ed in the local paper saying how ppl honestly should just not go out to eat if you cant afford it, and we would rather lose your lousy business and watch u eat at mcdonalds for the price you can afford than come here!
I dont know what to do. I just worked a double today and was getting miserable tips: like $5-on- a-$65-kind-of-tip . And I know I am a great server personally, and have been told so by many guests and managers.
Anybody have any ideas?
~up here in Washington
Dear Washington,
You could find a more upscale restaurant. Also, you could change your 'venue' a little. In other words..What about room service at a nice hotel, or steak delivery. Could you commute to a different town, that has an upscale place to work? I made good money, delivering pizza (in a really good part of town), delivering steaks, and working Room service at the Mariott. I also made good cash working catering gigs on the side.
Also Washingon, Check events in cities nearby. Working at seasonal race tracks, Golf tournaments or anything like that can supplement your income. I know a Bartender that made $3000 in two weeks at a seasonal horse racing track and it was mostly cash.
Where are all of the Lousy comments?
I'll break the quiet streak.
When I was a bellman at a first-class hotel, this gentleman with a BMW X5 SUV, black with leather interior... just gorgeous, would show up about every other week for a night or two on regular business. Every time he showed up, it would be the same routine:
Take his one bag and hanger from the car, cart it up to his room, ask if he needs anything, fill his bucket with ice, give him the ticket for his valet, wish him a good night, park his car, and return to the front door.
Anything missing here...? Oh yeah! Fuckin' tip is non-existent!!! This guy failed to tip any person in the hotel. I don't think housekeeping was tipped whenever he left. I must have seen him about 10 times a summer and not break his wallet out except to grab a credit card to pay his room. Oh how I would have loved to bring his car up front, park it, and kindly remove the steering wheel.
I've in in the hospitality biz for 30 some odd years. You think you've seen it all, then som e idiot doesn't tip, and you realize this business always has something new.
I had a guy come into the bar I was working, and asked the price of quite a few drinks, without ordering any of them. Finally he inquired "Whats the cheapest thing in here?" to which I couldn't help but respond "You mean besides you?"
It felt great!
Unfortunately I think sometimes when people don't tip, they dont realize that the server is making way less than minimum wage,especially in higher end places. I think they assume with the higher price, they must be paying the staff well. Essentially, people that don't tip COST us money, because we are taxed based on our sales. The government assumes we are making income, even when we are not. There should be a mandatory tip to at least cover the tax situation.
I waited on this 10 top the other night. All seemed really nice, I even answered a million questions about the menu. One lady ordered cheese enchiladas. She gets them and then complains because there's too much cheese! What do you expect, they're cheese enchiladas! But I took them back and got her some with less cheese and more sauce. She ate them. Then it's time for the bill. Her husband looks at it and starts screaming that I F***ed his wife over! I kept asking him to calm down and tell me what was wrong but he just kept screaming. Finally, she asked me to take them off the bill, which I did, but not because I thought I should have. Thank god for the automatic 18% grat!
I drove from Laguna Beach to Santa Monica, to deliver a dinning room table and chairs to Sugar Ray Lenard. There was 2 of us, sugar gave us a 5 dollar bill. The drive is 1 hour, 1 way.
I think you service people should start thinking about what you do for a living "SERVICE." You are getting paid by your employer, and then you want a 30% tip!!!. I always tipped over 20% until my credit card was compromised by a waitress while I was on vacation. I know she was the one who used it because it was a card I only used on vacation and I only used in it one place. I reported it to the restaurant and the manager didn't seem interested. Now, I only take cash with me and servers will get tipped whatever I have extra in my wallet at the time.
First, let me say that I put myself through school and raised a child as a waitress and bartender. Overall, it's a thankless and tiring job and those who tip well can really make a server's day/night. Similarly, a lousy (or worse, no tip at all) can really ruin a day/night. We work for peanuts -- and servers have to tip out to busboys & bartenders too; so, a bad night/day can mean it actually costs money to go to work!
Also, people who work as servers don't generally do so because they love the work! Most have families to support; many others are students trying to put themselves through school; some are trying to do both. Like everyone else, sometimes a server is going to have a bad day, sometimes the kitchen screws up a order, sometimes the bartender keeps you waiting for a drink order - all of this is blamed on the server.
For all the customers out there, keep this in mind next time you eat out. The server takes the brunt of everyone else's bad day, but the server is always supposed to have a 'happy face'. Most do the very best they can. I generally tip more than 20% (except to bartenders who usually get paid more per hour and don't have to work as hard for their tips) - even if the server is having a 'bad day' so long as he/she is attentive and trying. But, for those servers who fail to even try to be attentive (or bother taking away dirty dishes), I won't tip 20%. I know how to do the job, and I expect decent service.
That said, I also think it's important to distinguish between a server and a delivery person. I see a lot of posts from delivery drivers that appear to assume a 20% tip is in order for delivering a meal. I have to disagree with that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't delivery drivers get paid minimum wage? If that's the case, a 20% tip on the total bill is unreasonable - though the further away the delivery, the bigger the tip should be.
Just my 2 cents.
I'd like to say, I am a fairly generous tipper and try to leave around 20% although, I would say more if it is a bargain priced meal and perhaps closer to 15 - 18 percent if it is a high priced meal with drinks. I feel though that if a waiter / waitress chooses to take the automatic large group gratuity option they should be verbally let me know and not hope that it is missed and I refuse to add anything to that amount because in my opinion they didn't trust me enough to cover it on my own. ( Although if it has been exceptional service I will add a buck or two.)
It would seem that poor is due in part to bad quality,
I know for once, (Though I checked the DB for myself.) I carried some cash, and well, the bill ran a little higher than I expected, so I gave what I had left as a tip, $12 tip from a $48 meal.
But the waitress complains and says to me, if you ever tip that poorly again, I'll have you thrown out.
The reason I carry cash though, is because two weeks prior there was an incident about people using credit and debit cards, so to prevent fraud, i took cash.
The following day though, I told the manager about my experiance, and within two weeks time the waitress was fired for misconduct in the restaurant.
Go figure...
Glad I found this site. I have plenty of people that deserve to be on here, and I can assure you they are habitual and will soon find their cheap, sorry rude asses listed here. I love when people tell me how nice/polite/friendly the service is and they will be sure to request me next time, then stiff me. I did have a lady I have to give props to, though, the first time I delivered to her she gave me a $10 tip and told me to remember her name and address in the future. She then called the store to tell the owner how nice the driver was. He said she calls every time she gets a delivery to comment on the staff. Very smart on her part. You can make sure she gets her food before some jackass I know never tips! I usually try to be fair about such things, but I do have my limits.
On the subject of tipping, let me say this to all those who don't realize this-most servers are usually required to tip out 3-6% of their sales (sometimes more) to bussers, servers assistants, bartenders, food runners, hostesses, etc. Even though a server is tipped 15%, they may only get to keep 9% of that. I have sold over $1000 in a shift and walked with $75 after tipping out everyone who supposedly made it possible to give such excellent service, even if I bussed all my own tables, ran all my own food and drinks, etc. Keep that in mind when you are determining how much to tip-that is also why the standard tipping amount has raised in the last couple of decades. Restaurants have found they can raise the standard of service, but make the servers pay for it. Exceptional service is a team effort, make sure to take that into consideration when you figure that tip up. I even know delivery drivers who will tip the cook(s) if they make really good money.
To all going to work today in a restaurant, have a good one!
Let go of your ego. Just because you are a waitress, barista, etc. don't always to expect to get great tips. I can be a Lousytipper. I don't go by a percentage of my bill, that's bs. I go by if you did your job or not, no matter what my bill is. There shouldn't be a certain percentage that lousy waiters get for not doing well at their job. I only tip really well to the people who deserve it and work for the tip. If you forget to grab my drink, or forget to order part of my meal of course I won't tip you. I won't give you even a dollar. If you make little conversation or are a boring person, again I won't tip. Being a waiter/ess, or whoever is your job. You work for your hourly pay not your tips, there is a reason you get whatever amount an hour. Tips are a bonus but are not required to be left. They are something that your clients do because of your services but aren't demanded. I understand if it is a large party of people then you should be tipped. Do not expect everybody to be completely generous for a table of two or three during our time of recession. I tip greatly to the people who remember to bring my drink, or my condiments. I like it when the waiter/ess makes conversation and is casual about talking, but isn't annoying. If you do your job well, I will tip you well. Work for your tips, don't demand them. Get over your pre-Madonna attitudes and stop whining if someone doesn't tip you what you think you're worth. Do your job and do it well. Don't try and get revenge on the people who don't tip, because by us coming to the restaurant or whatever, we are keeping the place alive. If you are a lousy waiter we probably won't come to the restaurant again. But if you make an impression on us about your services then we have the possibility to become regulars. You are the face of the restaurant, don't make it ugly.
Everyone please stop using the recession for an excuse for being a cheap ass when you go out to eat or drink. If that was a viable excuse not to tip people who make less than minimum wage and are taxed on their sales, then next time I get my oil changed, I want a discount b/c we are in a recession. I also want a discount on my banking, dry cleaning, groceries, etc. Also, don't leave a shitty monetary tip and follow it up with a verbal tip unless up plan on calling my utility or morgage comapny and let them know that they should knock x ammount of dollar off my bill b/c "I did such a great job" Cheap is cheap. Recession or not.
Tipping is not a city in China people!!! Love the people who are handling your food! Do these people really want to be nasty to us? REALLY?
To you people who are posting here and have obviously never been a server. Let me give you an education. No one chooses to work for $2.15/hr. They choose to work for tips. Serving as a profession can be just as lucrative as the career you middle management cheapa**es have. Realize that you are not the only table in the restaurant running my ass off because you can't manage to ask for more than 1 thing at a time. I've got a section full of you idiots doing the same thing. I expect good service when I go out as well, but I also take into account what is going on around me. I also take notice when there is another table making my servers life hell because they are douchebags. If your boss calls you over & rips you apart for something that was out of your control, can you walk away chipper & go about your day as if nothing ever happened?? Probably not, you probably wander back to your little cubicle and whine to anyone that will stop & listen. We servers do not have that choice, so when you're being a dick to us for something we have no control over, we engage, we empathize, we try our best to correct the problem because every good server knows that it is not the corporation that pays them, it is the guest. We will go above and beyond to make you happy because you are who pays our bills.
Serving is not the easiest job in the world, even though people like the guy above may think so, it's a balancing act, a mind reading game and a race.
The servers posting on this site are all good servers. If they were crap they wouldn't be on here venting. This site is meant to help people like you can gain a little insight about our point of view.
If you can't afford to tip, stay home. If the recession has gotten the best of you, stay home. However, if you are prepared to spend the money it takes to dine out in public in a restaurant that has a server, then come prepared to tip! If you can't afford to tip then you really can't afford to eat out.
Unbelievable statements...If you can't afford to tip stay home? I am sure if your boss knew you were telling customers to stay home you would be FIRED! No customers means no tips at all....Even low tipper will mean that you restaurant will stay in business so you can still have a job!
What a bunch of whine a**es. With your attitude you don't deserve to be tipped.
Many people are on a very tight budget and only go out once a month. They leave what they can for a tip and you have the nerve to complain? Some kind of tip is better than no tip at all. That couple may have left you their last two dollars you ungrateful whine as**
I would like to see tipping be abolished, as it just makes customers feel uncomfortable. I for one rarely eat out for that reason.
Wow. Can you feel the love?
I have several comments...
First off...we tip hotel maids?? WTF?! Since when?
All right...when I go out to eat, I determine my tip by how well I am served. Yes, I take into account how busy the place is. No, I don't take into account if the food is bad; that's not the server's fault. I usually tip 15%, more for better service, less for worse. If the service is considerably worse, I'll state the reason for the lesser amount.
Having said that...it is my firm belief that the entire system is flawed. Servers should NOT be paid less than minimum wage for their work and tipping should NOT be considered a requirement! This "sharing" of tips is just wrong. I understand that if servers are paid minimum wage,etc, then the price of the meals goes up, but as far as I'm concerned, that's far preferable than feeling that I'm *required* to tip, and feel the need to explain myself if I don't.
A tip is a gratuity, a way of saying "thank you" for a job well done. It should NOT be factored into any meal, whether as an excuse for owners to pay less than acceptable wages, or as some predetermined expectation of service.
The problem is that someone, somewhere, managed to lobby Congress to allow this to happen. Those who are servers in the food service industry should, IMHO, band together and lobby Congress to abolish this ridiculously wrong allowance. Make the business owners pay an appropriate wage, not $2.17/hr!
Oh, and one other thing...unfortunately, there ARE those servers who offer lousy service and still expect to be heavily compensated in a form of gratuity. Such people exist not only in the food service industry, but in every part of business. It is a sad fact that in our wonderful nation, many are growing up with a sense of entitlement which they have not earned.
I get a total laugh out of those ignorants who think they are entitled to good service with no fair compensation. Do you honestly think that if you don't come out, the restaurant will go under? No, because servers and bartenders know who the good tippers are and work hard to cultivate a relationship with that person, ensuring their swift return.
So tightwad, stay home, eat your frozen pizza, drink your canned beer and watch your AMC movies. We don't need you, we don't want you and if you stay away--we all win!
Oh, and to the blogger who said bartenders don't work as hard as servers, you can kiss my @$$. I've worked harder in one night than you probably ever have, making my drinks and yours. Without my drinks, you'd just be an ordertaking food runner.
It has been a long time since I was in the business, but I will never forget how it was to rely on tips. Bottom line, if you can't afford at least 15%, go to Mickey D's.
Wow, I can't be;lieve in this age of identity theft you guy are posting personal name and adresses and where they go. I even see 15% tips on this whining board. There's something wrong with you people.
Wow...you guys are really getting mad at the wrong people. As with every other business in the world, your employer pays you a salary, maybe a bonus based on exceptional service. The people that own the restaurants are they ones making out like bandits. Don't have to pay the staff much and still have them be nice. Definitely not reality.
I was in the service industry for over 11 yrs before I finally got smart and got the h.e.double hockey sticks out. Way to unstable of a wage.
That being said, I am a pretty reasonable tipper. I'f I'm not happy with the service, you're not getting more than 15%...if it's good service, 20% and exceptional service 25-30%, which I believe to be more than far. I also tip on the amount after tax and before any discount coupons have been used. For delivery driver, I usually go form 10-15%...honestly, all they do is drive it over to me, they certainly done set it up and clean up after. Not to mention I very rarely get what I ordered.
Sometimes someone just wants to go out for dinner, but is a little strapped for cash...maybe your restaurant should have something in place to cover that. Unofortunately this is becoming bor of a cashless society and to be quite honest, i don't trust the server to be taking my credit card or debit card anywhere....we've all hear too many stories.
Well, here in Aventura we have some of the most outraegous things in the world as well. Kids like 15 or 16 who only have their money due to their parents are not tipping. It just pisses people off because it is unfair to the servers, since that's how they make all their income, and yes, I am one of them. Also, Jewish people suck at tipping the most.
Well, here in Aventura we have some of the most outraegous things in the world as well. Kids like 15 or 16 who only have their money due to their parents are not tipping. It just pisses people off because it is unfair to the servers, since that's how they make all their income, and yes, I am one of them. Also, Jewish people suck at tipping the most.
If you don't like the tips, get a different job. That's what I did, I went back to school, got my degree and I'll tell you my current job is so much better than food service it is unbelieveable. It's not easy, but it's what you have to do. If you don't like your life , either change it or stop complaining. It amazes me how many people here are going off in tirades about the tip they didn't get, well if your tirade is an indication of your attitude, it's no wonder you get bad tips.
I just have to address those who are complaining about server complaining about your cheap tip less attitudes.
Next time you go out to a sit down restaurant, or call and order your favorite pizza etc... Do a couple things, hmm?
Stop and think about everything "you" would have to do to make that sit down meal happen, or to get that pizza delivered to your doorstep. From start to finish.
1st: Decide what you want to eat.
2nd: Go to Grocery Store and buy all the ingredients you will need to make that meal.
3rd: Come home and dirty up dishes to mix, bake, cook and serve all the food you just spent money on to buy from the store.
4th: Wash all the dishes, wipe down the counters and the stove.
Hopefully after working an 8 hour (or longer day) all of the above didnt eat up too much of your spare free "Me" or "Family" time.
Also keep in mind that you probably spent twice what you would have buying the ingredients, burning the gas or using the electricity to prepare, using the water to clean up (and don't forget the extra cleaning supplies like dish soap etc) then add your own hourly pay rate to that cost, as you did indeed have to work to provide that meal for yourself, and dont forget the gas to drive to the store, the wear and tear on your car, the long lines at the store, the red lights and the traffic.
When you go out to eat its so you do not have to waste the time/energy/money to do it yourself. The restaurant provides the shopping & cooking portion of your experience, the supporting staff supplies the service & cleanup for your experience. Those that deliver your food (be it pizza or whatever) have to pay for gas, auto repairs, speeding tickets, insurance, etc.
If you cannot afford to tip appropriately for that steak dinner, you probably could not afford to buy it at the grocery store either. So instead of Steak... Order the Meatloaf... and stop making excuses why you think someones time and effort is not worth a few extra dollars.
No I am not a wait person and haven't worked in the service industry for many years, when I did I was a cook.
I do however have common sense, and a great appreciation for a job well done. I have tipped poorly for extremely bad service (I always leave a note explaining why) and I have tipped excessively for outstanding service (a few times in excess of 100% of the bill), but I have never ever not kept in mind that the people providing that service are just like me. They have bills to pay, children to support, and everything else that's included with having a life.
I work as a server in Indy.Four hillbilly Purdue fans sit at my table.4 shrimp cocktails,3 surf and turfs,1 ribeye,7 coors lites,1 coke(5 refills),9 compliment about what a great job I was doing,@ 2hours later the owner of Gunns Tractor from Layfette paid the bill.$0 on $363.30
Thanks
I typically tip for every service that it is appropriate to tip for. My hairstylist gets tipped, as well as any delivery person or waitstaff. In places where your food is cooked in front of you, I tip the cooks. There is only one time that I have not tipped and that was a few nights ago. We received absolutely lousy service from our waitress, who didn't even tell us her name. She neglected to refill our sodas, brought me the wrong salad (I wasn't being picky, she just brought me the completely wrong one.), and wasn't friendly.
We ate at a buffet-style Mongolian grill restaurant. Basically, someone else sat us down and got us our sodas. Later, she came around and asked if we'd been there before (we had). She asked what we wanted for a soup or salad, then told us that we knew what to do and left the table. In this particular restaurant, the waitresses clear the extra plates and bowls from the tables. A random server (not ours) swung by and cleared our extras for us. Only when it came time for her to hand over the bill was she semi-polite to us. Even then, it took her forever to collect the bill. There was a comment card included in the little folder, so we filled it out and explained what happened and did not leave her a tip. We did, however, leave the cooks a tip in their bucket as they were super friendly, even though they were busy.
I felt bad about not tipping, but I think this is one of the few cases where it would be justified.
Beware of Antonio Osvaldo. He Claims to be a author (CHEFS TO REMEMBER.COM)This man travels around the country scamming free meals, hotel rooms and anything else he can get for free. He is uneducated, and very rude. I have researched his so called book (which he has yet to write) and could not find a single Chef that he has alegedly interviewed that will confirm these interviews. His homemade website is a joke. The photos seem to be real but nothing that any person attending a book signing could not get.. BEWARE!! This person should be locked up!!!
Okay everybody here is how it works. The customer is paying for the food.
If you don't wanna tip then go to a restaurant where you can stand in line place your order and receive your food.
If you wanna sit you ass down, relax with a friends or two go out to a restaurant. I'll be there, I will grab your drinks your dinners, and anything else you need to have a great evening out. But in return I would like to get paid.
I don't come to your job make a mess at your workstation/office or whatever, treat you like your lucky to know me, then take your check on payday.
They have an automatic tip on certain table sizes, because its too much work for no compensation. An d we all know there are stiffers out there. If you are one of them don't give me any excuses because we all know the rules of society and tipping is a societal rule. Just like acknowledging someone you pass in the hallway at work with a simple hello or a smile. If you don't follow these rules then your the one with the failing not the other guy.
Ihave been working in bars and restaurants for almost 20 years. and to make it clear to the people who want to argue about getting a real job or our paycheck: first of all our pay check is required only so the government is guaranteed to get its cut of our earnings. and guess what! the asswume you make at least 10% of all caswh sales and know for a fact that you received your credit card tips so that is what you owe taxes on. Most servers only get check stubs, which is also the number one reason millions of americans between 18 and 40 have no health insurance! paychecks don't allow for the deduction. For once instead of thinking solely about how great your service was, think about how bad your patronage was. Many large restaraunt chains spend a ton of money on training their free labor, a system that is pretty universal in the industry, if we couold just train the &^%$#(*& customers! 15% waws standard for good service in 1992 when the3 pay was still 2.13 an hour! what did you make in 1992 doing your job with with added duties such as making salads, smoothies, lattes, cappucinos,desserts, bread baskets, corking;chilling-pouring bottles of wine all while your taking orders getting 15 refills and closing checks credit and cash. Oh and don't forget the person who has a coupon that requires a manager to do all while you are waiting to leave me $1.50 on your check that started out as a $20 check before your BOGO when you came in 2 hours earlier to have your business meeting in my free conference booth that should have turned twice at lunch!
I've been in the hospitality business for over ten years and I believe it shows what kind of person you really are by how you treat service workers; either by your attitude, tip or lack there of. We have bills to pay and mouths to feed too! With the economy the way it is we have middle aged people coming in for jobs that haven't waited tables since their teenage years. They're getting the jobs before the younger applicants. We do what we have to do to pay the bills, and lately that has not been easy. If you can't afford to tip at least fifteen percent then stay home or hit up a drive thru!!!!!! Gratuity should not be an option. You are paying for a service and we are providing for a salary! We are not puckering up, or putting up with your bullshit for fun!
I understand bad service and not wanting to tip but even when I have a less than satisfactory experience I still tip fifteen percent. That is my minimum. I see that as bad enough. Outsatnding service will usually get twenty five. I've been waiting tables and bartending for a very long time and I just don't get how people can do us that way.. with the multiple refills (without asking), special orders, great attitude, being nice to your annoying children... It goes on and on. TIP YOUR SERVER!
If Your gonna leave me a tip, dont leave me one of your Jesus Pamphlets instead, Jesus doesent Pay my bills.
And yes, those of you that *think* that if you dont tip well after good sevrice, it wont go unnoticed. I cry BS. Ive worked food service for over 15 years, we will sabatoge your stuff, we will ignore you more Next time and proceed to tell ALL of the servers that work with us that your shitty.
Believe it.
Someone asked about the legalities of posting publicly available information on here. I'd say the people listed may have a defamation of character case against the site or person posting. The tone of the site is negative and its purpose is to ridicule and try to cause harm to those the posters deem unworthy of respect. The actions cited were "not tipping or not tipping enough." As tipping is not legally mandatory, the stiffers would have a much stronger case because legally by not tipping they are not doing anything wrong, whereas you are causing them harm by defaming their character based on your own set of morals.
That said, I believe that you should all be focusing your rage on your employers who are too cheap to pay you a fair wage which you richly deserve. It is not fair to fault the customer and not the employer whom you entered into a contract with and who is basically laughing at all of us all the way to the bank. I bet employers LOVE it that all this anger is directed at the customers instead of them.
omg a bone in the walleye pike imagine that! the guy acted like he bit into a dinosaur bone yes i told him sometimes there are bones in fish that are missed while filleting sorry can i get you another dish no thats ok i'll just sit here and stare at my plate and wait for the end of the world so glad the owner did not comp this signature dinner it was well worth the 1.00 tip especially to hear his wife belt out you just lost 2 customers for good yahoo! lol thanks Michael Papasevastos happy trails! BON APETIT
That's the beauty of this site... there's no registration. No specifics if you like, and in the state I live in there's no "defamation of character" or "slander" cases. How retarded! You wish. People who don't tip are either ignorant ( I doubt but some of the people I wait on just boggle my mind! How can you BE so stupid?!) or just assholes you can't please. Hello! Gratuity is a part of that service. IF YOU DON'T OR CAN'T PAY FOR THAT SERVICE HIT UP A MICKEY D'S DRIVE THRU OR YOUR LOCAL BUFFET!... Every waiter/waitress all over the country are paid 2-3 bucks an hour. We can't complain to our employers. Like any one of them would do anything about it. It's been like that forever. Just as TIPPING has been!
Well said. I mean really, how hard is it to cough up a couple of bucks to help out a person that is working hard to make sure your evening goes well. PLEASE!
Had a lot of small tips tonight. Thank goodness for a couple of nice people who gave a little extra. With their help it was a good night.
Like most on this site, I've been serving and bartending for ten years. AND IF YOUR AREN'T IN THE FOOD SERVICE INDUSTRY, PAY ATTENTION... WE DO NASTY, GROSS DISCUSTING THINGS TO YOUR FOOD AND DRINK, IF YOU ARE RUDE, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO TIP. Sorry this happenes all the time, so you better treat the people who handle your food with respect.
To all you kids out there going to prom...been there done that and know your PARENTS gave you money for dinner. I raise two kids and pay my bills. Unlike you. Soo when you come in with a group of friends, order everything practically on menu and then make me run back and forth back and forth and take up my table for about 2 hrs... After that you all stiff me. Do you not realize I had to pay to serve you? Prob not. But that is money I earned and spend on MY children. Shouldn't have to pay for someone elses children to. Plus those 2 hrs you sat there goofing off? I could have had atleast four tables and made money. Next time TIP! I don't know you there for aint about to pay for you to eat
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